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What’s the point of a COMBO set?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by GrandpasArms, Nov 21, 2011.

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  1. GrandpasArms

    GrandpasArms Active Member

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    Honestly, I’d like some input about the rationale behind the Shotgun COMBO sets. I’ve learned that there is a single (usually longer) and a double barrel in a set and that they are weighted similarly so that the shooter is comfortable/familiar regardless of which barrel is in use. Why is this superior to a double O/U? A double O/U isn’t just similar, its identical. What am I missing when it comes to the COMBO?

    Larry
     
  2. missed some

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    you are shooting the same trigger and stock with a combo, i don't shoot singles or handicap as well with o/u. just a preference much like 71/2 or 8's. mark
     
  3. slayer

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    I believe what he is asking is "what is the advantage of a single barrel over a double?" The only thing that I know of is the slightly longer sight plane available with a single. Bill wheeler
     
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    completely different animal....you can shoot singles and caps just fine with the o/u, but you can do it better with a single.
     
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    Does anyone know why the single is generally better than a double for singles? Just askin'. Bill
     
  6. missed some

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    less wind resistance
     
  7. missed some

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    they are usually choked differently, with the single barrel being tighter
     
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    Singles don't block the bird as much as a double..Longer sight plane,Different weight distribution,Less wind resistance...SMOKIT
     
  9. 4EVRYOUNG

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    I my Opinion which isn't worth 2 bits, The O/u in my case shoots a bit about 6" lower then my un single at 13 yards so on flat or wind blown singles I shoot it, Handi's and High singles shoot the un-single.
     
  10. sliverbulletexpress

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    What I want to know is why the OU is better than the single for doubles? That's the big mystery of a combo set.
     
  11. Mark425

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    Its not..if you can reload fast.
     
  12. Three Yellow Dogs

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    IT is tricky to shoot doubles with a single!
     
  13. mike campbell

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    There is no objective proof that one is better...they're just different. And different people do the same job well with different tools. If it weren't so, there would be only one trap gun for everybody.

    As to what makes them different, moment of inertia is a big factor. An O/U, an autoloader, a top or bottom single and a true SBT that are as identical as possible in every respect will still handle differently due to different weight distribution and thus different MOI.

    Consider a combo set. Obviously, the stock is the same. But if you weight the two setups the same, and even balance them at exactly the same point, the weight distribution will differ. Starting with the O/U, the weight of the bottom barrel is distributed evenly along the length of the top barrel. Eliminate that bottom barrel, but keep the overall weight the same, and where did that weight go? It went into the forearm and that portion of the overall weight that was under the barrel out in front of the leading hand is now situated between the hands. The result is a livelier muzzle, changing the dynamics of the move to the target. Clearly, the single barrel is different. Is it better? Some people think so, that's why they have combo sets.
     
  14. short shucker

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    Doesn't Leo shoot singles with the O/U barrels on his DT-10?

    ss
     
  15. missed some

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    Leo could shoot them with a sling shot and beat most of us.
     
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    Yes, Leo shoots singles with his O/U..
     
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    I have a Browning XT Trap Combo set. I shoot singles and doubles with the O/U. Why? For me, I prefer a lower point of impact for singles and doubles...in fact I prefer the same POI. I also use one of C&Hs chamber style mercury recoil reducers in the O/U barrel that I am not using. It adds 9 ozs extra weight and makes a huge difference in felt recoil. Then I can set up my unsingle for a higher POI for handicap...and I don't have to add washers to my adjustable comb to raise the POI for handicap like I did before when I was shooting my XT O/U for everything. The less changes I have to make to transition back and forth from singles/doubles to handicap the better. I once shot 100 singles then went to add 2 more washers for handicap only to find that they were already there. No wonder I was shooting over the top of those birds. KISS...keep it simple.

    Mike Brown
     
  18. Leo

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    I am not the same Leo that is mentioned above, but I went from three guns, single and two doubles, to a combo set, then to a single gun. Now all I shoot is a Beretta trap O/U.
    I cannot say I am greatly improved, but I used to do only well at one event at a time, now I seem to be more consistant when I change events. My life is simpler, and I do not miss hauling 3 guns around.
     
  19. Brian in Oregon

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    Wind resistance? Really?
     
  20. sliverbulletexpress

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    To be serious for a second, if you've spent a ton of money on a custom stock or an expensive recoil reducer you can appreciate using that stock and one receiver with different barrels for different purposes.

    Yep Brian OU barrels catch more wind than a single, if you shoot in a strong crosswind you or at least I could feel the difference.
     
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