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WHAT WOULD THE FOUNDERS DO?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by birdogs, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. birdogs

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    In the years leading up to 1776, King George III inposed numerous odious laws and regulations on the American colonies. That ended in rebelion and the First American Revolution. Now Emperor Hussein I imposes even more odious laws on the American people. What would John Adamd, Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, Thomas jefferson, George Washington and all those brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence do?

    In actuality, Hussein I has done more to harm America than George III ever did or even considered. By 2016, it will be too late. The death spiral will have become too severe to recover from. It is like an airplane spinnig out of control. There is an instant at which it can be saved. We may be past that opportunity.
     
  2. GW22

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    You answered your own question.

    But it doesn't matter what the founders would do. They are dead and so is the soul of the country they founded.

    Don't panic though, the body America will linger on for a while and by the time it actually dies nobody will remember what it was like when it was healthy anyway. In fact, we're already half way there.

    -Gary
     
  3. birdogs

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    Gary,

    I am afraid that you are correct. All the leftists have to do is wait until those of us who remember the real America are dead. The leftist teachers have already indoctrinated their charges with the notion that America was never truly great and that the way things used to be in America are the way they were everywhere.

    Do you remember the remark, "the rotting corpse of Europe"? Emperor Hussein has been trying to pile the US onto that pyre. Perhaps his pushing an attackm on Syria will cost him whatever political capital he has left and make him a lame duck or even get him inpeached. That is one of our last hopes. I don't think the countyry can survive another 3 years of His Imperial Highness.
     
  4. CharlieAMA

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    This is a depressing thread.
     
  5. Catpower

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    The depressing thing Charlie is it is true
     
  6. CharlieAMA

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    They would turn over in their graves. Yes, Cat, it is true.
     
  7. GW22

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    So just live your life and enjoy what you still can.

    And if you're a Baby Boomer, as you approach the end of your life consider apologizing to your grandchildren for helping destroy the greatest country that ever existed. But then again, if you're a Baby Boomer, you are, by definition, incapable of accepting responsibility.

    -Gary
     
  8. Catpower

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    It wasn't just the baby boomers LBJ was from the greatest generation and the bills he pushed through caused a lot of the problems that we have today

    You can't pay somebody out of poverty with working peoples money
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    Stick a fork in America. It's done.

    The liberals have been stealing money and giving it away for votes for 70 years now, aided and abetted by unwitting but well meaning stooges who thought they were doing the right thing. All they've accomplished is raising the national debt to the point where it literally cannot be paid off, and making so many people dependent upon the government that they've provided the liberals and socialists with more than enough votes to ensure election. Meanwhile the liberals, socialists and new world order proponents and their well meaning stooges have been giving more and more power to the government to spy on and oppress citizens, negating constitutional rights.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    <i>"And if you're a Baby Boomer, as you approach the end of your life consider apologizing to your grandchildren for helping destroy the greatest country that ever existed. </i>

    My late father actually apologized for what his generation has done to his kids and grandchildren for debt. He never realized what the end result would be. he thought they were doing the right thing.

    Apparently they never read the story about....

    The Wild and Free Pigs of the Okefenokee Swamp

    by Steve Washam

    based on a telling by George Gordon

    Some years ago, about 1900, an old trapper from North Dakota hitched
    up some horses to his Studebaker wagon, packed a few possessions--
    especially his traps--and drove south.

    Several weeks later he stopped in a small town just north of the
    Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia.

    It was a Saturday morning--a lazy day--when he walked into the general
    store. Sitting around the pot-bellied stove were seven or eight of the
    town’s local citizens.

    The traveler spoke, "Gentlemen, could you direct me to the Okefenokee
    Swamp?"

    Some of the oldtimers looked at him like he was crazy.

    "You must be a stranger in these parts," they said.

    "I am. I’m from North Dakota," said the stranger.

    "In the Okefenokee Swamp are thousands of wild hogs," one old man
    explained. "A man who goes into the swamp by himself asks to die!"
    He lifted up his leg. "I lost half my leg here, to the pigs of the
    swamp."

    Another old fellow said, "Look at the cuts on me; look at my arm bit
    off!"

    "Those pigs have been free since the Revolution, eating snakes and
    rooting out roots and fending for themselves for over a hundred
    years. They’re wild and they’re dangerous. You can’t trap them. No
    man dare go into the swamp by himself."

    Every man nodded his head in agreement.

    The old trapper said, "Thank you so much for the warning. Now could
    you direct me to the swamp?"

    They said, "Well, yeah, it’s due south--straight down the road."
    But they begged the stranger not to go, because they knew he’d meet
    a terrible fate.

    He said, "Sell me ten sacks of corn, and help me load them into the
    wagon."

    And they did.

    Then the old trapper bid them farewell and drove on down the road.
    The townsfolk thought they’d never see him again.

    Two weeks later the man came back. He pulled up to the general store,
    got down off the wagon, walked in and bought ten more sacks of corn.
    After loading it up he went back down the road toward the swamp.

    Two weeks later he returned and, again, bought ten sacks of corn.
    This went on for a month. And then two months, and three.

    Every week or two the old trapper would come into town on a Saturday
    morning, load up ten sacks of corn and drive off south into the
    swamp.

    The stranger soon became a legend in the little village and the
    subject of much speculation. People wondered what kind of devil had
    possessed this man, that he could go into the Okefenokee by himself
    and not be consumed by the wild and free hogs.

    One morning the man came into town as usual. Everyone thought he
    wanted more corn.

    He got off the wagon and went into the store where the usual group
    of men were gathered around the stove. He took off his gloves.

    "Gentlemen," he said, "I need to hire about ten or fifteen wagons.
    I need twenty or thirty men. I have six thousand hogs out in the
    swamp, penned up, and they’re all hungry. I’ve got to get them to
    market right away."

    "You’ve WHAT in the swamp?" asked the storekeeper, incredulously.

    "I have six thousand hogs penned up. They haven’t eaten for two or
    three days, and they’ll starve if I don’t get back there to feed and
    take care of them."

    One of the oldtimers said, "You mean you’ve captured the wild hogs
    of the Okefenokee?"

    "That’s right."

    "How did you do that? What did you do?" the men urged, breathlessly.

    One of them exclaimed, "But I lost my arm!"

    "I lost my brother!" cried another.

    "I lost my leg to those wild boars!" chimed a third.

    The trapper said, "Well, the first week I went in there they were
    wild all right. They hid in the undergrowth and wouldn’t come out.
    I dared not get off the wagon. So I spread corn along behind the
    wagon. Every day I’d spread a sack of corn.

    "The old pigs would have nothing to do with it. But the younger pigs
    decided that it was easier to eat free corn than it was to root out
    roots and catch snakes. So the very young began to eat the corn first.

    "I did this every day. Pretty soon, even the old pigs decided that
    it was easier to eat free corn, after all, they were all free; they
    were not penned up. They could run off in any direction they wanted
    at any time.

    "The next thing was to get them used to eating in the same place all
    the time. So, I selected a clearing, and I started putting the corn
    in the clearing.

    "At first they wouldn't come to the clearing. It was too far. It was
    too open. It was a nuisance to them.

    "But the very young decided that it was easier to take the corn in
    the clearing than it was to root out roots and catch their own
    snakes. And not long thereafter, the older pigs also decided that it
    was easier to come to the clearing every day.

    "And so the pigs learned to come to the clearing every day to get
    their free corn. They could still subsidize their diet with roots
    and snakes and whatever else they wanted. After all, they were all
    free. They could run in any direction at any time. There were no
    bounds upon them.

    "The next step was to get them used to fence posts. So I put fence
    posts all the way around the clearing. I put them in the underbrush
    so that they wouldn't get suspicious or upset, after all, they were
    just sticks sticking up out of the ground, like the trees and the
    brush. The corn was there every day. It was easy to walk in between
    the posts, get the corn, and walk back out.

    "This went on for a week or two. Shortly they became very used to
    walking into the clearing, getting the free corn, and walking back
    out through the fence posts.

    "The next step was to put one rail down at the bottom. I also left
    a few openings, so that the older, fatter pigs could walk through
    the openings and the younger pigs could easily jump over just one
    rail, after all, it was no real threat to their freedom or
    independence--they could always jump over the rail and flee in
    any direction at any time.

    "Now I decided that I wouldn't feed them every day. I began to feed
    them every other day. On the days I didn't feed them, the pigs still
    gathered in the clearing. They squealed, and they grunted, and they
    begged and pleaded with me to feed them--but I only fed them every
    other day. Then I put a second rail around the posts.

    "Now the pigs became more and more desperate for food. Because now
    they were no longer used to going out and digging their own roots
    and finding their own food, they now needed me. They needed my
    corn every other day."

    "So I trained them that I would feed them every day if they came in
    through a gate and I put up a third rail around the fence.

    "But it was still no great threat to their freedom, because there
    were several gates and they could run in and out at will.

    "Finally I put up the fourth rail. Then I closed all the gates but
    one, and I fed them very, very well."

    "Yesterday I closed the last gate and today I need you to help me
    take these pigs to market."

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    The price of free corn

    The parable of the pigs has a serious moral lesson. This story is
    about federal money being used to bait, trap and enslave a once free
    and independent people.

    Federal welfare, in its myriad forms, has reduced not only
    individuals to a state of dependency; state and local governments
    are also on the fast track to elimination, due to their functions
    being subverted by the command and control structures of federal
    "revenue sharing" programs.

    Please copy this parable and send it to all of your state and
    local elected leaders and other concerned citizens. Tell them:
    "Just say NO to federal corn."

    The bacon you save may be your own.

    Copyright 1997, The Idaho Observer. All rights reserved. Permission
    granted to reproduce for non-commercial purposes in entirety,
    including this notice.

     
  11. Setterman

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    Don't give up just yet. If we educate and infom our kids and grand children, there is still hope.
     
  12. bill1949

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    I'll bet the Founding Fathers and Mothers would be shocked and ashamed by what the people have allowed to happen to their free country that they fought and died and lost their fortunes to create...Bill
     
  13. Jeffrey

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    Our founding Fathers would not have waited around this long or allowed the crap that is going down to go on this long.
    They would have revolted much, much sooner, and not by voting , nor the internet. They would have marched on the problem and dealt with it.
    We, on the other hand are still way to comfortable and are still getting by, still doing what we want, perhaps at a little higher cost or inconveinance, but never the less, still comfortable.
    Only as the above post story went, when the GATE is closed will we want to take action/arms and deal with it. Sadly, I fear it will be to late, and yes I am just as guilty as the rest of us, although, I do make the calls, and the emails and the letters to our lame and sleezy elected goobers in DC.
     
  14. rpeerless

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    The Founders would not enter a foreign religious war between two feuding factions of the same cult of death under any circumstances. IMHO

    Also, what types of tyrannies did the Founder's study when they birthed our Nation. Do you think it was just one tyranny that they studied before writing so eloquently? The Founder's fully understood the tyranny of the world then and as it is now and wanted to keep this nation free of it.

    The nature of man has not changed nor will it ever change.

    But now we have freemen calling themselves slaves.

    And slaves calling themselves free men.

    Why? What is the cause of this retrogression?
     
  15. birdogs

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    Remember that the American revolutionaries were w MINORITY of the colonists. Also, they were primarily the rural people NOT the city folks. Just look at Lexington and Concord. It was their grit which put starch in the rest of the colonists. The catalyst was the reaction of British. It showed the colonists that they were NOT the equal of other British subjects in the eyes of George III and the Parliament. That rankled most. At first they wanted equaslity with outher Btitish citizens but soon realized that only independence would serve to realize tgheir dreams. The rest is, as they say, history!

    America is once again at the same crossroads. We have "saved the world" and have wound up having to support it militarily and financially. The rest of the world expresses outrage at some act of a foreign despot and we volunteer to chastise him. We are the world's conscience and policeman while at home we are now the pawns of lifelong politicians of both parties.

    Can we find a way out of this morass or does it require a new beginning? I don't think that the election of a conservative or a libertarian would be a new beginning. It would only be a respite in our inexorible march to destruction.

    Last night, John Stossel's program on Fox showed the parallels between the US and the Roman Empire. They were startling but incontravertible. Yet we are committed to continuing down the same path which led to Rome's destruction. I guess that if you refuse to learn the lessons of history, you are condemned to repeat them.

    Yes, this is depressing so let's not think about it. Let's just go on like everything is just great. It is easier that way.

    One last thing - Benjamin Franklin said, "We have given you a Republic - if you can keep it". I guess we couldn't.
     
  16. GW22

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    Birddogs,

    Hopefully Stossel's show discussed the entitlements of Rome and how out of control they got as the culture approached its demise. Same with corrupt government and general moral decline. Some people think we invented this sh!t. Turns out we're just copycats who are too dumb and arrogant to heed the clear lessons of history.

    -Gary