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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ATA SHOOTS WITHOUT $$$

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    HELLO:
    what would happen to ATA shooting without the chance of winning some money? some people feel we would be better off. i do not see anything wrong with winning some cash when you have a good day. consider the thousands of dollars that shooters have invested in equipment alone. lets face it, if your like me, i am a ham n egger in this sport, i am lucky to win something once a tournament season. i would think that there is probably no more than 10-20 shooters who really win more than their expenses in this sport. yes, i have heard about large somes of cash being won, but if you add up all the cost involved, i highly doubt few are making more than they are spending. i know shooters who go to casinos, all i hear about are the large pots that they win. when talking to their friends, i hear how much money they actually lost. so again, what do you think would happen to ATA shooting, if there was no money involved in this sport? by the way, i see shooters play the lewis class at shoots, and then when there is a calcutta some of them complain?????????

    steve balistreri
     
  2. chessney

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    I go to the club for the ham shoots,turkey shoots. My odds are better of winning something then shooting ATA....Ziggy
     
  3. tcr1146

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    I'll feed ya Steve! It is similar with guys trying to mandate 1oz shot vs having your choice of 1 1/8! Doing away with options will not happen! If you don't like em, don't play em! Guys that bitch about calcuttas, have never made any sense to me! You don't like to gamble, don't enter the damn things! Real easy to me! Tom Rhoads
     
  4. senior smoke

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    tcr1146- i agree with you comments. only thing i want to mention, if you saw me, you would retract your statement about feeding me!
    steve balistreri
     
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    The same thing's already happening. Fewer shooters willing to hand over their grocery money to the "big dogs" each week equals fewer shooters overall.

    I spend more time at the meat and money shoots. Yesterday, my 74/75 at a local shoot won three meat trays. Nice turnout but didn't surpass the 113 squad Good Friday ham shoot.

    I find a good steak tastes much better than a book of numbers!!
     
  7. otnot

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    I admit that I like to gamble but I don't consider options gambling unless your playing the Lewis option. I like the fact that when your on your game you might be able to pay for your shooting. I shoot ATA targets because of the competition that the money brings to the table, and I would loose interest pretty fast if I only shot for scores. I probably wouldn't shoot ATA targets if I didn't think I could win once in awhile. You don't have to play the options but I like the added pressure it brings to the game.
     
  8. bigclown

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    For quite awhile - before I quit altogether - I used to shoot "targets only" in registered skeet events - sometimes winning "gun champ." Some "money shooters" resented and argued against a targets only shooter posting a 100 against their lower score and be declared "gun champ" in the record book. Their position was if you didn't play the program with the mandatory purses, you should not be called gun champ. Oh well...I do agree that all the "money" options should be just that - totally optional - but the winner of any event should be the shooter with the highest score, regardless if they play the program or purse entry fee. Just one person's opinion.... Best regards, Ed
     
  9. Don Steele

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    Speaking only for myself....I never considered money to be an incentive. I shoot for enjoyment. If I have to think about the dollars spent vs. potential dollars won...I'll quit altogether. Then it's like a job, or trying to run a business. I shoot to NOT have to think about that stuff.
     
  10. Big Heap

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    Shooting for money is a time honored tradition among people who like to compete with guns. The problem is that the options schemes used at most trapshoots are similar to those used for the last 80 years. Today we are able to rapidly compute scores and entry dollars but do not seek to change either to make the sport more interesting.

    Many amateur golf tournaments have systems of side bets that attract average golfers who like a little monetary action. These people have the money to play but trapshooting offers them no incentive to join in.

    http://alphabeticaprime.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/100_dollar_bill.jpg
     
  11. shannon391

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    Yet another mundane post.
     
  12. shot410ga

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    I love to shoot the Calcutta's, 50 straight purse and the Lewis. But I wish the trophies would be meat or shells instead of cheap trinkets that I end up trashing.
     
  13. Big Heap

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    Welcome to SportsWare's Pari-Mutuel Manager Program. The program offers a full range of capabilities for easy and accurate handling of pari-mutuels at golf clubs and courses. It's just like being at the track except that the horses are your golfers. One or multiple "Races" (usually Flights) can be conducted at the same time within the same overall event. A Withholding feature gives you full flexibility on the distribution of race purses.

    http://www.sportswaregolf.com/PMMDemoHelp.htm Take a look.
     
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    Steve, IMO, it would make no difference if you eliminated all the money.
     
  15. tcr1146

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    Wrong! Big drop off! Tom Rhoads
     
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    I work for money, shoot for fun. The only thing worse than winning money is winning some shells.
     
  17. Rico46

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    Steve is right in that he is a ham & egger but when Steve is on he is very tough to beat. I've never seen anyone with such a beat up 870 or a model 12 shoot better!

    Rick

    P.S. He is not lying about the feeding! Steve is liable to eat you out of house and home!
     
  18. phirel

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    Many shooters enjoy shooting for money and we should always allow purses to be part of the game. It does now seem that around one half of the shooters at larger shoots are shooting for something other than money. At smaller shoots in my area the purses have almost disappeared. This year, for the first time in many years I am entering a few purses. All the money I win is given to the ATA Hall of Fame. I have no personal interests in shooting for money for myself.

    Pat Ireland
     
  19. comp 1

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    Trap would die a quick death--that's one of the reasons trap shooters don't like skeet--most skeet shoots [local ones] don't have money options--almost all trap shoots have some form of money game whether it's a registered shoot or not-- I know a lot of shooters who will not shoot ata registered but always show up for calcuttas,miss and outs, annie oakleys,screw your buddy, buddy matches,etc where there is always cash to be won. I'm guilty of it too and if you don't want to pay,then shoot just for targets and don't bitc# about it.
     
  20. tcr1146

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    Maybe not very eloquent comp 1, but well put and spot on! Tom Rhoads
     
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