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What size powder bushing?

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  1. mahrbeezer

    mahrbeezer TS Member

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    What would be the best powder bushing on a mec for 16 yards 1 1/8 ounce load. I am using Hodgdon universal clays, AA hulls, WIn. primers and WAA wads. I was using red dot but i got two cans of hodgdon universal clays for next to nothing. What seems to be the best bushing for this powder? I cant find my recipe book for loading. Anyone know where i can download one?
     
  2. Shooting Coach

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    Go to the Hodgdon site and figure out the load you need for the compnonents you have. Go to your press maker and get a bushing size. This will get you in the ballpark. THEN USE YOUR SCALE.

    You DO have a scale, don't you?
     
  3. THE POSTMAN

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    My 2008 Hodgdon Basic Reloaders Manual lists two loads for your exact
    components:
    #1. 22grs/1200 FPS/10,000 PSI; #2. 22.7 grs/1255 FPS/10,600 PSI

    The #1 load would be a 3 dram equilavent you could possibly use for 16 yd.
    Load #2 is definitely designed for handicap shooting.

    If you plan on using this powder with your listed components,you will need
    the following MEC bushings 28 thru 30.

    28=21.1grs
    29=21.7grs These drops are only approximate.Please follow SHOOTING
    30=22.7grs COACH advise and use a powder scale to verify.

    Wilbur Poston
     
  4. BDodd

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    Kudos Mike....Bob Dodd
     
  5. dverna

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    Yep PBB. Frightening isn't it?

    International Clays is not the best choice for 16 yard loads. Sure it will work but why shoot 3 dram loads when you do not need to?

    I would recommend Clays for 16 yard but you might be better off with Red Dot. Less likely to get confused with the International Clays on the loading bench. If you have a scale, Promo is very inexpensive and used the same load data (weight - not volume) as Red Dot - but it varies lot to lot and a scale is mandatory.

    Don
     
  6. mahrbeezer

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    I have been loading for 17 years. I never used anything but red dot powder in all those years. I have moved a few times in those years and lost my books during the moves. I set up my machine and have never changed it because i dont change my loads. I own two scales and know how to do the loading thing quite well. I am looking for suggestions on peoples experience using universal clays. I bought two 8lb jugs for $25, couldnt turn down that deal. Sorry that im not computer savy enough to find a loading chart to figure out my loads. Thats why im here asking and not guessing. I did look up the loads for my desired needs but want to here some input on others experiences. Some peoples recipe may not be to the liking of others. I like a faster load, its just my preference. I weighed my #30 bushing and its 22.5 grains, a little heavy for some but its my cup of tea. Thank you to the people who helped.
     
  7. dverna

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    http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

    Try this.

    Don
     
  8. Big Al 29

    Big Al 29 TS Member

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    Universal Clays??????

    I saw Clays:

    Each Load begins with 12 or Lead Shot:

    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Fed. 12S3 16 9,300 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Fed. 12S3 17.2 10,600 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Hor. Versalite 16 8,300 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Hor. Versalite 17.5 9,800 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Hor. Versalite 18.9 11,200 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Red PC 16 8,400 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Red PC 17.4 9,800 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Red PC 18.8 11,300 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Rem. Fig. 8 16.8 7,400 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Rem. Fig. 8 18 9,300 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Rem. Fig. 8 19.3 11,400 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 WAA12 15.9 8,500 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 WAA12 17.2 10,300 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 WAA12 18.2 11,500 PSI 1200 Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Windjammer 16.6 6,400 LUP 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Windjammer 18 7,500 LUP 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209 Windjammer 19.4 8,600 LUP 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Hor. Versalite 16 9,100 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Hor. Versalite 16.9 11,100 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Red PC 15.7 8,700 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Red PC 17 10,100 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Red PC 18.4 11,500 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Rem. Fig. 8 16 6,600 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Rem. Fig. 8 17 8,100 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Rem. Fig. 8 18 8,800 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC WAA12 16 9,300 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC WAA12 17 10,900 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Windjammer 17.6 9,900 PSI 1145
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays CCI 209SC Windjammer 18.5 11,500 PSI 1200
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 16 9,100 PSI 1090
    12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 17.2 10,400 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 WAA12 15.5 9,500 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 WAA12 16.4 10,600 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 Windjammer 15.7 8,100 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 Windjammer 17 9,500 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Ched. 209 Windjammer 18.3 10,800 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Hor. Versalite 15.5 9,600 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Hor. Versalite 16.6 11,000 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Red PC 15.8 8,900 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Red PC 16.6 10,200 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Red PC 18 11,300 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Rem. Fig. 8 15.8 9,500 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Rem. Fig. 8 16.9 10,700 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A WAA12 15.5 9,900 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A WAA12 16.6 11,200 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Windjammer 16.2 8,500 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Windjammer 17.3 10,000 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fed. 209A Windjammer 18.4 11,400 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Fio. FTWI 15.5 7,700 LUP 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Fio. FTWI 16.9 9,200 LUP 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Fio. FTWI 18.4 10,900 LUP 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Rem. Fig. 8 15.8 8,600 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Rem. Fig. 8 17 10,500 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 WAA12 15.8 9,100 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 WAA12 16.8 10,600 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Windjammer 15.9 8,100 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Windjammer 17.2 9,500 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Fio. 616 Windjammer 18.4 10,800 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Fed. 12S3 16.4 7,600 LUP 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Fed. 12S3 17.6 8,600 LUP 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Fed. 12S3 18.8 9,600 LUP 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Hawk 15.5 9,000 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Hawk 16.5 10,600 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Hor. Versalite 15.9 8,800 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Hor. Versalite 16.9 10,300 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Hor. Versalite 18.1 11,500 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Red PC 16.5 8,200 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Red PC 17.7 9,900 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Red PC 18.8 11,500 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Rem. Fig. 8 16.9 6,900 LUP 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Rem. Fig. 8 18 7,900 LUP 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Rem. Fig. 8 19.2 9,000 LUP 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Trapper 15.9 9,400 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Trapper 17 11,200 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P WAA12 16.6 7,700 LUP 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P WAA12 17.7 9,000 LUP 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P WAA12 18.8 10,300 LUP 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Windjammer 16.3 8,100 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Windjammer 17.5 9,500 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Rem. 209P Windjammer 18.8 11,100 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hawk 15.8 8,600 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hawk 17.2 10,000 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hawk 18.6 11,500 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hor. Versalite 15.8 7,600 LUP 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hor. Versalite 17.2 9,100 LUP 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Hor. Versalite 18.6 10,500 LUP 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 LAGE Uniwad 16.6 8,800 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 LAGE Uniwad 17.7 10,300 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Red PC 16.5 7,800 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Red PC 17.7 9,400 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Red PC 19 11,100 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 16.4 8,400 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 17.5 9,700 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 18.6 11,000 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Trapper 16.2 9,200 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Trapper 17.3 10,500 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 WAA12 16.2 8,100 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 WAA12 17.3 9,700 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 WAA12 18.4 11,300 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Windjammer 16.8 7,700 PSI 1090
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Windjammer 18.1 9,100 PSI 1145
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Clays Win. 209 Windjammer 19.4 10,500 PSI 1200

    I saw Universal:

    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 23.2 8,400 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 24.4 9,100 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 25.7 10,200 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 21.1 9,600 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 22.5 10,600 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 24.3 11,400 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A Fed. 12S3 21.7 10,200 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A Fed. 12S3 22.7 11,000 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 22.5 9,400 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 23.5 10,600 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 22.5 8,900 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 23.7 9,900 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 25 10,800 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 21.5 9,800 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 23 10,700 PSI 1255
    Lead Slugs 12 1 1/8 oz. Buckbuster Universal Win. 209 Fed. 12S4 23 11,200 PSI 1300


    GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. THE POSTMAN

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    BucPride29:

    Mahrbeezer asked for a specific load using AA hulls, Win 209 primers,and
    Win AA wads. There are only two listed by Hodgdon.

    The majority of the data you quoted is for Federal Gold Metal hulls and/or
    Remington Nitro27/STS/Gun Club hulls

    To my knowledge, there is no listed load using Univeral powder that is under
    1200 FPS. The norm is 1200FPS to 1310FPS for all the above listed shells


    Wilbur Poston.
     
  10. Shooting Coach

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    Universal is a fairly slow powder, and is made for heavier loads.

    Since you got this powder, you might as well enjoy it. Lighter loads will leave a lot of residue, and may give you inconsistent results. Heavier loads will still be soft shooting monsters.

    "My 2008 Hodgdon Basic Reloaders Manual lists two loads for your exact components: #1. 22grs/1200 FPS/10,000 PSI; #2. 22.7 grs/1255 FPS/10,600 PSI"

    According to the Mec site, a #29 bushing throws 22.4 gr. I would not be surprised if that bushing threw a little less. As always, and I know you do, use a scale for verification.

    Go ahead and try the 1200 foot loads. You will likely be surprised at how soft the load is, and amazed at how it crushes a target. Slower powders have the reputation of patterning tightly. Do they? Ask Alliant about Green Dot. They say it does. Universal is a little slower than Green Dot.

    For Caps, try the 1255 load. I have such a load with Solo 1250 that is surpisingly easy on the shoulder, but when it hits the target, it turns a solid into a vapor!

    You might get to like the Universal Clays. I got away from heavy loads for years, but I like the way they DESTROY a target. The slower powders are easy on the shoulder.
     
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