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What is this Gun? HELP!

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by trap_shooter2000, Jan 3, 2011.

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  1. trap_shooter2000

    trap_shooter2000 Supporting Vendor Supporting Vendor

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    I have come across a gun that a friend has and I need your help. We have no idea what brand of gun this might be, when it was made, or especially what it is worth?

    It appears to be VERY old, serial numbers hand stamped, engraving and checkering all hand inlayed. It has double triggers, as well as harness locators for easy carrying. "TRAP" is engraved on the underside of the receiver as well as a mallard duck. There is no brand name anywhere on the gun.

    This gun was bought at an old estate auction, and this gun could date back many years, considering the couple passed away in their 90's.

    Any help will greatly be appreciated!

    Shoot well, Aaron Willoughby


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  2. trap_shooter2000

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    Safety is behind the top lever as well.
     
  3. tcr1146

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    Sure looks like a Beretta style rib!? I mention this because my first o/u purchased when I was young, 1970 ish, was an o/u made by Beretta which supposedly was made for the European crowd because it also had a sling attachment underneath the bottom barrel just like this one. If I recall, the model was S 57 E I think. Anyway, mine did not have the fancy silver inlays but was engraved and was not a top of the line Beretta! I am not sure, but I think it had single selective trigger but too long ago now to remember! Sorry I could not be more help. Tom Rhoads
     
  4. trap_shooter2000

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    Thanks Tom. I will continue to search! This has sparked my interest.

    Aaron W.
     
  5. trapperpg

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    Possibly a Beretta BL-1.

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  6. Tron

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    Damn, that looks familiar. If I recall, it's a Spanish outfit that morphed into Lanber....not 100% sure though.
     
  7. Barry C. Roach

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    I think Tron's correct. I've traded for a couple like that but they were marked Spain. There was a Spanish made copy of Ljutic Mono guns. Both copies were very cheaply made.
     
  8. trap_shooter2000

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    The only letters/writing on the receiver state "PRO" or "PRD" in very fine print. It is located on the left side of the receiver in the lower right hand corner. If you wasn't looking for it you would never notice it due to the engraving pattern.

    Aaron W.
     
  9. GW22

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    The stock inlet is similar to that of a Beretta BL-1 or BL-2 but the width of the wood protrusion is narrower. It could be an old Beretta knock-off by Laurona or similar.

    -Gary
     
  10. TANGO ECHO

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    Look for the proof marks!They will tell you the Country of origin!
     
  11. chipking

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    Aaron if it has proof marks the back of the Blue Book of Gun Values has a listing of proofs by country of origin. Any markings on the barrel or iron?
    Also you may have better luck finding it in an older Blue Book say 19th - 21st edition, after that the blue books just refer back to the older editions for early imports.

    Those initials are probably the engraver it is very common for them to initial their work.

    --- Chip King ---
     
  12. trap_shooter2000

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    The initials engraved on the left side, bottom right hand corner of the receiver is "PRD." I'm sure this is the engravers initials.

    The only writing on the barrels are serial numbers on the extractors, as well as "12 ga., 2 3/4 choke f/m".


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  13. mixer

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    There seems to be some engraving next to the duck. Any idea what it says?

    Eric
     
  14. short shucker

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    I'm with Tron and Barry on this one. Definitely looks to be spanish in origin (engraving and interior pic's are the clues). The fit and finish isn't up to snuff for the better Italian gunmakers. I could be wrong, as I have been more than once in my life, but it doesn't look to be anything special.

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  15. skeezix

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    It might helpto take some similar photos of the monobloc. Any stamping or markings there may help with your quest

    john
     
  16. grntitan

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    Eddie--The word in front of the Duck engraving is "Trap". He stated that in the opening post.

    Matt
     
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    Oops, mia culpa. Forgot about re-reading the 1st post.


    Eric
     
  18. Gapper

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    Copy of a 680 Beretta. The s57(BL) had a different fore end latch and cocking rod system. Though the engraving looks very similar to Krieghoff's! :)
     
  19. HSLDS

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    A couple of comments...

    First, with the sling swivels my first comment would be a gun most likely made for the German market, albeit some Italian field guns have these too.

    With that in mind one would think a 'guild gun' made either in Belgium, England, or Spain for the German market.

    But I don't think so...

    The action looks very much like a Beretta, which makes me think more along the lines of - for lack of a better term, an 'Italian guild gun' - an off market copy of a Beretta, typically made as a field type gun for the Italian market (you can find many of these in Italy if you know where to look).

    So my two cents is that someone bought a specialized version of an Italian guild gun set up as a trap gun.
     
  20. goatskin

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    Aaron, I have all the proofmarks books, so if you can get a clean pic of the marks on the monobloc and barrel flats, there won't be much mystery.

    My guess is Spanish knockoff of the Beretta S-55, which was a pretty popular gun in the late 50s-early 60s.

    Bob
     
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