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What is shooters average by yard?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Shooting Jack, Aug 14, 2011.

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  1. Shooting Jack

    Shooting Jack Active Member

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    We don't shoot registered targets at our club but play games and shoot from yardage sometimes. It's 90 miles to the closest place to shoot registered and wondered what yardage averages were by yard as I don't want to emabrass myself if I go shoot. Jackie B.

    Maybe I have asked the question wrong so I'll try again. If I am a 25 yard shooter what kind of average should I have? I realize I would have to shoot from the 21 yard line until I establish an average/score and can move with a high or highest score but what is the average for shooters on the 21 yd line etc? Thanks
     
  2. hwy13

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    Hello shooting Jack ,,

    In my part of the USA [ Indiana ] The ATA requires that handicap
    shooters keep a 90 average for 1000 handicap targets to prevent a
    computer reduction from reducing the shooter 1 yard.

    A shooter can turn down the reduction if they choose, the shooter
    won't be reduced if they have won yardage, during the 1000 target review.

    There is more info than what I am saying , this is a quick outline.
    Don't worry if your average is less than 90, have fun , do your best
    for the weather conditions, shoot with your friends.
     
  3. hoosier

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    hwy13, that is about to be changed to 91%. Hoosier
     
  4. bobdog

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    Actually, I think the number is somewhere in the mid to low 80's for caps before an automatic reduction occurs.

    I'm guessing that most of the shooters here would love to have a 91 average in caps.
     
  5. ivanhoe

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    "Actually, I think the number is somewhere in the mid to low 80's for caps before an automatic reduction occurs."

    Actually the rulebook says,

    BREAK POINT is the average looked at by the computer to determine if a reduction is warranted. Break points are different depending on zone of residence.

    Eastern Zone: 89%

    Central Zone 90%

    Southern Zone 89%

    Southwestern Zone 90%

    Western Zone 90%

    It doesn't say anything about 91 but it doesn't say anything about mid to low 80's either. BTW this is in the rulebook on page 65.

    Right now I haven't heard anything about rule changes so who knows.

    As far as the original question is concerned and the rest of the post. If you are a new adult male shooter you will shoot at the 20 yard line. Your average has nothing to do with it unless you win or reach a thousand targets. If you win you will get yardage. If you reach a thousand targets with an average less than posted above you will be reduced one yard at a time. That is every rewiew(or 1 thousand targets).

    Bob Lawless
     
  6. hoosier

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    The Central Zone just went to a 91% break point. Hoosier
     
  7. J.Woolsey

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    You must register 500 singles in addition to the 1000 Hdcp. targets before a computer review takes place.
     
  8. Shooting Jack

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    Thanks everyone for your responses. Someone else had told me a bunch of malarky so now I know. We used to have a reguar trap and I averaged around 93 but now we only have a wobble trap and I usually shoot a 90 and shoot the same up to the 24. It may not be that much more difficult but it sure seems that the wobble trap is harder with the different angles and all. Jackie B.
     
  9. Pocatello

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    Jack, the information about all ATA targets shot each year is contained in the ATA Average Book, published by Trap & Field magazine. Thanks to the help of former ATA President Neil Winston, I have the data from the 2008 Average Book in MS Excel format. In the 2008 target year 22,864 shooters registered at least some handicap targets, at yardages between 18 and 27 yards. Note that the yardage listed for a shooter is that at which she or he ended the target year, and may not reflect the yardage at which many of the targets were actually shot. For example, in the 2008 book my yardage is listed as 27, but many of my targets that year were actually shot at 25.5 or 26.5 yards. With that caveat expressed, below is the information you requested.

    The median of a data set is the number where half of the data items are less, and half greater, so the median average means that half of the shooters in that group had a higher average, while half had a lower average.

    There were 2698 shooters listed at 27 yards, with a median average of 89.0%

    There were 511 shooters listed at 26.5 yards, with a median average of 87.2%

    There were 1044 shooters listed at 26 yards, with a median average of 86.8%

    There were 675 shooters listed at 25.5 yards, with a median average of 87.1%

    There were 1205 shooters listed at 25 yards, with a median average of 86.0%

    There were 689 shooters listed at 24.5 yards, with a median average of 87.3%

    There were 1073 shooters listed at 24 yards, with a median average of 86.3%

    There were 757 shooters listed at 23.5 yards, with a median average of 86.7%

    There were 1047 shooters listed at 23 yards, with a median average of 86.6%

    There were 863 shooters listed at 22.5 yards, with a median average of 87.1%

    There were 1150 shooters listed at 22 yards, with a median average of 86.8%

    There were 883 shooters listed at 21.5 yards, with a median average of 87.2%

    There were 1330 shooters listed at 21 yards, with a median average of 87.0%

    There were 1062 shooters listed at 20.5 yards, with a median average of 86.6%

    There were 5903 shooters listed at 20 yards, with a median average of 83.0%

    There were 197 shooters listed at 19.5 yards, with a median average of 85.6%

    There were 1743 shooters listed at 19 yards, with a median average of 79.5%

    There were 5 shooters listed at 18.5 yards, with a median average of 85.8%

    There were 29 shooters listed at 18 yards, with a median average of 83.1%

    If we restrict our attention to shooters who registered at least 1000 handicap targets during the target year, the median average tends to climb, but the pattern remains similar. I'll do that in a subsequent post if requested.

    The pattern I see above is that the 27 yarders are better than everybody else, as I would expect, with median average a couple off targets above the rest. From 26.5 to 20.5 yards the picture is very similar, with median yardage around 86-87%, These are the folks who have earned a yardage punch at some time, but have not reached (or stayed) at the back fence. The 20 yard folks are about 3-4 targets worse, on average, than the other folks. These are the new shooters or those who have not earned a punch (or maybe had one, but took a reduction). The folks at shorter yardage include the new women, children, and those reduced from further back, and have worse averages yet.
     
  10. Shooting Jack

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    Thanks Pocatello, that makes me feel a little better. LOL Jackie B.
     
  11. bobdog

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    That's really interesting stuff I hadn't heard before. I stand corrected, Bob. Thanks for the info.
     
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    do not be embarrassed, none of us ever know when we are going to shoot our next worse score. keep focused, eyes forward, head down and break everything you can and have FUN
     
  13. Pocatello

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    I had a little spare time this morning, so I looked at the data for shooters who registered at least 1000 handicap targets in 2008. Again we will look at the median average by yardage, i.e. half of those shooters had a better average, half had worse. We'll also list the median number of targets registered, i.e. half registered more, half fewer.

    27 yards, 1917 shooters, 89.5% median average, 2600 median targets;

    26.5 yards, 302 shooters, 87.8% median average, 2200 median targets;

    26 yards, 637 shooters, 87.2% median average, 2200 median targets;

    25.5 yards, 390shooters, 87.5% median average, 1900 median targets;

    25 yards, 729 shooters, 86.3% median average, 2000 median targets;

    24.5 yards, 375 shooters, 87.6% median average, 1850 median targets;

    24 yards, 607 shooters, 86.6% median average, 1800 median targets;

    23.5 yards, 395 shooters, 87.2% median average, 1800 median targets;

    23 yards, 537 shooters, 87.2% median average, 1700 median targets;

    22.5 yards, 449 shooters, 87.6% median average, 1800 median targets;

    22 yards, 557 shooters, 87.3% median average, 1700 median targets;

    21.5 yards, 421 shooters, 87.6% median average, 1600 median targets;

    21 yards, 503 shooters, 86.8% median average, 1600 median targets;

    20.5 yards, 392 shooters, 86.6% median average, 1500 median targets;

    20 yards, 928 shooters, 84.4% median average, 1400 median targets;

    19.5 yards, 90 shooters, 86.2% median average, 1550 median targets;

    19 yards, 458 shooters, 82.1% median average, 1500 median targets;

    18.5 yards, 3 shooters, 82.1% median average, 3800 median targets;

    18 yards, 20 shooters, 83.5% median average, 2500 median targets.

    Draw your own conclusions. One suggested "fix" for the "handicap problem" often suggested is to increase the maximum yardage, say to 30 yards. Looking at this data, and correlating with the singles averages, I suspect that what also may be needed is to decrease the minimum handicap yardage to 16 yards.
     
  14. birdognorth

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    A shooter with no ATA targets goes to a shoot wanting to shoot handicap for the money and shoot management puts him on the 24 yard line. Is he stuck there for 1000 targets or is he still a 20 yard (beginner) shooter?
     
  15. V10

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    Shoot management can only do that (impose penalty yardage) if the program states that penalty yardage applies. Shoot management cannot arbitrarily decide to penalize a shooter.

    Penalty yardage only applies for the particular shoot in question. For subsequent shoots, the shooter would be on the 20 yard line.

    If a shooter earns yardage while shooting at penalty yardage, the punch is from the penalty yard line, not from the 20 yard line.
     
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