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what I dont understand about unions

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Beni, Oct 21, 2011.

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  1. Beni

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    Our local news reported today that the U.S. govt. gave an American Company something like 528 million dollars to design and manufacture 100 electric cars. They are designed here in the States but manufactured in Finland. This company gave away 500 manufacturing jobs. All you union pukes should be ashamed that inadvertantly you support Osammy, union power got him elected and you idiots let him send those jobs overseas AGAIN. How can you look at yourselves in the mirror knowing that 500 jobs could have gone to Ohio Or Detroit Or Buffalo for your union brethern,I dont think it gets any better for a community than having manufacturing jobs,too bad for them huh!!!! I guess your only union when it serves your own purpose. Too BAD FOR AMERICA beni
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

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    only an idiot would believe your gibberish. Only an idiot would believe it was the Union membership that got Obama elected.

    I have no problem looking myself in the mirror...

    of course, coming from a Socialist Reformer like yourself, it's understood.
     
  3. likes-to-shoot

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    Union membership is 7-9% of the workforce in the US. Apparently people believe we have amazing powers. LOL

    Beni....can you produce a source on your claim?
     
  4. daddiooo

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    Wikipedia says union workforce is 12.4%. Still not enough to have put Barry in office though. Unions are down from 24.1 back in the late 40's and 50's.
     
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    My number doesn't include goverment unions.......Even though I'm pro union I still have my personal thoughts on that issue.
     
  6. Jim101

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    It's about union MONEY not so much union votes. How much of the union money went to the DNC and Obama to help buy votes.



    Jim
     
  7. WS-1

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    The unions, both private sector and public sector, alone cannot re-elect Osoros. But, if you add the black vote (+/-10%), the Hispanic vote, the sodomites, the white socialists, and the limp wristed white apologists, you got some major league poopy on your hands.

    As strong a record of promoting America as the unions have ("Look for the union label"), it amazes me that they continuously get sucker punched by the likes of Barack H. Osoros.
     
  8. halfmile

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    So now union members are responsible for management actions.

    Not where I live, they aren't.

    Someone was eating the "special" corn flakes again.

    HM
     
  9. ysr_racer

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    These three kids are sitting around talking, and the first kid says, "My dad is so fast, he can shoot an arrow down range and run down there to see where it lands".

    The second little kid says, "That's nothing, my dad is so fast that when he goes to sleep at night and turns off the lights, he can be in bed before the room gets dark".

    The third little kid says, "I got all you guys beat. My dad is in the Teamsters. He's so fast that when he gets off of work at 4:30, he's home by 2:15".


    Brought to you by the non union workers of America. Unlike union members, I work for a living.
     
  10. gwsaucedo

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    Well, surprisingly it's true. Reported by ABC news, of all places, the Fisker car received half a billion dollars in US loan guarantees to make an electric car much like the Chevy Volt. The company claimed that they couldn't find a facility in the U.S. for production and are manufacturing in Finland. The cost of the car will be around $97,000.00 US dollars. Go to ABCNews.go.com and put Fisker in the search bar.
     
  11. 682b

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    I am a trade union crafts person and I can think for myself. I am but one vote. You are but one vote and the last time i checked we still had the privilege to vote how we like. Granted I don't have much of a choice how my union spends my dues(IBEW). The one thing I can tell you is that the republicans have been the party of big business historically and business have wanted to keep wages low for greater profits for there share holders. With that I don't have time to talk about past work place environments and safety conditions. Big business did that to them selves with corporate greed not every one of them but enough. The unions want to raise the wages and benefits of the rank and file. There is a never ending struggle between them. I think that is a good thing,it keeps them (both) honest.
    Now lets talk about your views I think they are as wrong as Barack Obamas. I think you drank too much of the magic kool-aid
    I nor 99% of America wanted to see those potential union jobs go overseas. The small portion of working union labor did not send them overseas, and It baffles me why any one would build a 97000.00 dollar car. I think that you should start worrying about the thousands of ill informed and highly sway able (guidable)unemployed young protesters around the nation. They just want the same things we want. The good life.
    I want you to know we still have the right to free thought and you cannot change that,be sides I still look good in the mirror. I am not ashamed to sign my name Jim Heart Local 666
     
  12. Rooksd1

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    Unions and Banks should be local, unions,corporations,and special intrest groups, should not be allowed to finance political campaign, only individuals should be allowed to donate, and say a limit of $100.00. Problem solved. Fredom of speech is an individual right, not a corp.,union, or special intrest right.
     
  13. likemybrownings

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    To Jim Heart,
    It was the unions that fought for Bacon/Davis wages, aka prevailing wages. This was to be sure the union workers could still be in many cases overpaid and not be concerned of competitive bidding. Put everyone on a monetary equal playing field? Now that said, HOW is it an even playing field when this spring as an independant electrical contractor I placed a bid of $167K on a project, 900 plus man hours, before CO. I lost the bid, was told by your IBEW 8 ppl there was a "stipen" returned to union bidder that won the bid to compensate for bidding against me. "Stipen" up to $20.00 x 900 = $18000.00 which is 11% of total bid. In an economy that is seeing bids typically all within 3-4%.
    OH YEAH also the hard working union brothers didnt deliver building til 7.5 weeks LATE
    I wont sign my name here, only because I gave my word to my IBEW informant wouldn't get him on bad terms with his "brothers" I dont want it going back on him! feel free to PM
     
  14. Beni

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    Hey Big Boy , If you read what I wrote Im sticking up for the little guy and the little towns that have had manufactring jobs ripped away from them,they too deserve the good life. I understand you are but one vote within your local unions but tell me one thing, do you still feel good watching obama coral union support,like I said you are inadvertantly supporting him. Wonder if any of those little towns had any trapshooters. I like people having their own opinions keep going while I get some more ice for my koolaid..... beni
     
  15. halfmile

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    The movie title says it all.

    "Dumb and Dumber"

    HM
     
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    Have opinions on both side of discussion was a teamster for 10 years and can say for sure one of the issues that bothers me most is the socialist ways the unions are run. I.E. if you think as a dues paying member you have ANY say so in what the union does politically or financially, it aint so. Your input is zip. If you don't believe it try to persuade your local to support a pro free enterprise, pro gun, pro individual liberty etc.. candidate. You will be taking your life in they're hands (literately). Freedom and union don't go hand in hand in that regard.
     
  17. halfmile

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    In the Kennedy years the Democrats made sense, but the party got hijacked by liberal extremists who had nowhere to go when most of the protesters grew up.

    Unions were strong supporters of Democratic principles since it meant a better life for the working class.

    Not so any more, they want a huge nanny government that takes care of everything from cradle to grave without a shred of personal responsibility.

    Union members would be more correct in selecting candidates to support rather than blanket partisanship. Unfortunately much of the rank and file don't pay attention to such issues.

    HM
     
  18. lctrapshooter

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    Just in case anyone wonders why Obama and his friends are so hot to support labor unions particularly government employee unions, check out the contributions.

    Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors 1990-2010

    *Democrats

    R Republicans

    American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees *$40,281,900

    R $ 547,700

    Intel Brotherhood of Electrical Workers *29,705,600

    R 679,000

    National Education Association *27,679,300

    R 2,005,200

    Service Employees International Union *26,368,470

    R 98,700

    Communication Workers of America *26,305,500

    R 125,300

    Service Employees International Union *26,252,000

    R 1,086,200

    Laborers Union *25,734,000

    R 2,138,000

    American Federation of Teachers *25,682,800

    R 200,000

    United Auto Workers *25,082,200

    R 182,700

    Teamsters Union *24,926,400

    R 1,822,000

    Carpenters and Joiners Union *24,094,100

    R 2,658,000

    Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union *23,875,600

    R 226,300

    United Food and Commercial Workers Union *23,182,000

    R 334,200

    AFL-CIO *17,124,300

    R 713,500

    Sheet Metal Workers Union *16,347,200

    R 342,800

    Plumbers & Pipefitters Union *14,790,000

    R 818,500

    Operating Engineers Union *13,840,000

    R 2,309,500

    Airline Pilots Association *12,806,600

    R 2,398,300

    International Association of Firefighters *12,421,700

    R 2,685,400

    United Transportation Workers *11,807,000

    R 1,459,300

    Ironworkers Union *11,638,900

    R 936,000

    American Postal Workers Union *11,633,100

    R 544,300

    Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association *8,135,400

    R 2,294,600

    Seafarers International Union *6,726,800

    R 1,281,300

    Source: Center for Responsive Politics, Washington , D.C.
     
  19. Beni

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    wow beni
     
  20. halfmile

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    Follow the money. PAC's give people the ability to donate sums of money that would otherwise be illegal if privately donated. Most of the PAC money goes to attack ads which may or may not be effective.

    Jeffrey(?) Katzenberg gave 2 Million to Obama through a super PAC in June. This would have been illegal if directly contributed, but hiding behind the PAC made it OK.

    We are not talking chump change here, there is enough money spent to influence our elections to get the US out of its present financial problems.

    Google is your friend.

    HM
     
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