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What gun knocked Ithaca 4E Knick off its perch?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Bushmaster1313, Jul 15, 2010.

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  1. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    I think it fair to say that for a period of time between the world Wars the Ithaca 4E Knick occupied the high ground among trap guns. If not the best then one of the very best.

    What gun came along to knock the Knick down a peg from its lofty perch, and when?
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    I'd say the model 12 Winchester....or maybe the remington 1100
     
  3. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    "I'd say the model 12 Winchester.... "

    Model 12 Winchester was already around when the Knick replaced the Flues.

    If you mean that shooters switched from single barrels to guns that could shoot doubles you could be right, but I think there must have been a "better" gun for singles that came along sometime after the 1920's.
     
  4. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    Strictly SBT guns then....probably the Ljutic given to Dan Orlich if I remember...
     
  5. Big Heap

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    Parker?
     
  6. KEYBEAR

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    Don,t forget the BT-99 one of the best SBT made
     
  7. BigM-Perazzi

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    Perazzi's in the 60's, Remington model 32 in the '40's, then Krieghoff, then the 3200...
     
  8. Mapper

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    Lots of Browning O/Us around in the 60s, plus a bunch of good pump guns.
     
  9. bridgetoofar

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    The cost of an Ithaca is what killed it as really good and inexpensive guns came into play.
     
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    I'm with Bridge on this one. Ithaca never made tooling for the Knicks. They were never cheap, but as hand-made guns they just got too expensive for their own good.
     
  11. Mark-in-Maine

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    When would you say the Rem 3200 had it's most popular days?
     
  12. LDAdd

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    It had to be the Perazzi TM-1 and the original BT-99. None else came close.

    JMO

    Larry
     
  13. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    Model 12 and Model 31 and the pump guns in general.
     
  14. AWC

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    Actually what happened was, that Ithaca could not build them. I have at least two letters from Ithaca in the 60's stating they could not take an order at that time because of their back log. They only had one man that could build them.Many shooters wanted them but they wern't available.

    AWC
     
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    Unquestionably, it was the Browning Superposed. The BT-99 came much later.
     
  16. Hill topper

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    The shooters that could afford the Ithaca single barrel,
    embraced the TM1 when it hit the scene in the sixties.

    The Ithaca was always a limited production gun and the BT99 offered a much more affordable single barrel for the average shooter.

    The BT99 has been and continues to be a great value as a single barrel trap gun and became the sucessor to the higher priced Ithacas.

    Price and limited availability removed the Ithaca 4E/5E from the trap fields.

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  17. OLD ONE EYE

    OLD ONE EYE Well-Known Member

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    Ithaca nocked the SBT Ithaca off the perch no one else. There were many choices of SBT guns but they all faded Parker, LC Smith, Baker, all were great guns and sought after today they were hand make hi quality gun that were expensive to make and buy but supply was scarce so numbers were low. All these companies are now gone. The Ljudic and TM1 came first then the BT99 at affordable prices and won the hearts of the SBT gun shooters and all are wonderful guns by todays standards. They are not the same as the older guns were more elegant and finer finished guns. The newer guns are made out of better metal as quality of materials progressed with time but when you feel the balance and beauty of the old guns you realize they had soul that only hand crafted guns possess.
     
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