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What exactly is a Calcutta in Trap shooting

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  1. slide action

    slide action Well-Known Member

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    OhioGal,A calcuta is basicly a betting auction. A shooter pays a fee to be entered. Then each shooter is "auctioned" before the handicap event. People(not necessarly shooters) bid to "BUY" the shooter in question. The top scores Usually 3 or 4 places pay a portion of the auction pot to the shooters who record the high scores and their"buyers" usually with ties splitting. The "Buyer" gets the biggest share ,with the rest going to the shooter. The split is usually 60/40 or 70/30. At very large shoots the pot can be VERY large, sometimes in the thousands of dollars, although the big buck calcuttas seem to the a thing of the past. They are a lot of fun, but some clubs don't like them and the ATA does not sponsor or condone them. I have on few ocassions seen tempers flare over them, but is a rare occurance. Be advised though, some localities consider them uncontrolled gambling and have laws against them, so always check with the local gambling laws before taking part. Hope that helps a little.
     
  2. mixer

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    Here's a breakdown of how the money in a Calcutta works. Let's say you get 40 shooters to enter @ $20ea for a total of $800, then the auction for the shooters brings in $3200 so now you have a purse of $4000. With payouts of 40-30-20-10% for 1st-2nd-3rd 4th highest scores.

    As an example: 1st place is worth $1600 (40% of $4000) with 70% or $1120 going to the buyer and 30% or $480 going to the shooter. If a shooter buys himself and wins then then he gets all the money for that place.

    Eric
     
  3. 525 KID

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    I will have to check into this more, it sounds like a way to pick up a little extra cash ??? Mite help cover sum of the costs?
     
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    mixer Well-Known Member

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    525 kid,

    It only works if you shoot one of the four highest scores. Shoot a 97 or better and you're guaranteed a payout. Remember in most Calcuttas that ties divide, meaning that if there are for example 4 scores tied for 2nd place, everyone (shooter & buyer) gets 25% of that total. And sometimes the price you pay for a shooter might not be covered by the amount you win if at all.


    Eric
     
  5. fletcher

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    And you as the shooter pay your 20 dollars to enter and then need to buy yourself if you want all the money. Most I have seen the shooter agree's to buy himself for a minimal amount like 20 or so so the pot gets bigger.
     
  6. SeldomShoots

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    Great explanation of calcutta mixer. But would the $6.00 to $8.00 for the 50 birds per shooter come out of the $20.00 entry fee and be paid to the club sponsoring the shoot? Ultimately, making the pot somewhere around $3,760 to $3,680?

    A few fellas and me run one at my gun club on the first and third Fridays that started on December 5, 2008. We have been fortunate to have turn outs of 35, 30, 28, 10 (0 degrees that evening), and 35. 10 or less we pay 2 places, more than 10 shooters we pay 3 places. At what point is it customary or expected to pay 4 places, say like if you have 40 or more shooters or if the pot reaches a certain level? We pull $1 per shooter out for a lucky number drawing, a little bit for a powerball drawing that can only be won by a shooter who hasn't won anything and we pull a $1 per shooter for a jackpot on a perfect 50. We do that for the 16 and what you break shoots (1st friday) and do a 2nd lewis, lucky number and powerball on the 16 and what you sell for shoot (3rd friday).

    Mix let me know what you're thoughts are on this. Thanks, John E.
     
  7. grnberetcj

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    Trapshooting Calcutta's pale in comparison to the Calcutta's we get into during the fishing tournaments in the Keys....a $100K pay-out is the norm!!

    And...the old Calcutta's at the big Live Bird shoots were substantial also....

    Curt
     
  8. mixer

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    Targets and fee's are not taken from the Calcutta purse. The Calcuttas that I run for various clubs are on the final H'cap event and the Calcutta is an option just like the Lewis purse, etc, etc. The "Calcutta" that you describe is a bit different than the standard but if it is what your shooters enjoy then by all means continue.

    I've never had a Calcutta with less than 25 entrys and most times it's closer to 40 or more. Sometimes to induce shooters to enter, the entry fee is $10 instead of $20 and first bid is $10 instead of $20. I use a 4 place payout to spread the wealth so to speak. The differance between a Calcutta and a Lewis class is that in a Lewis a not so great score can hit a good payout, in a Calcutta only the 4 best scores will win.

    As an example, in a recent Calcutta a shooter bought herself for $30 so she had $50 invested ($20 entry & $30 buy in) she won 2nd place with a 95 and I paid her $550, plus she hit the Lewis for $100 so she had a $650 day. Not to shabby.

    Eric
     
  9. 525 KID

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    MIXER... Thanks for the info!!! just the thought of having a chance at sum extra monies is nice to know. I'm not saying i will go out and win a calcutta, but just having a shot at it makes the day go by with much anticipation and makes me feel better about it all, Its kinda like going to a casino on the way there, you think about what you could come away with and even if you don't,at least you had a chance.....
     
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    Taking a chance is what life is all about. Go for it.


    Eric
     
  11. Jawhawker

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    grnberetcj, Vernal can match it.
     
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    Went to a shoot last summer with a calcutta. I didn't know what it was all about, so I didn't get in. I won the handicap that day with a 96.
    All I got was my yardage. How's that for a kick in the pants!

    Tom
     
  13. grnberetcj

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    What's a Vernal?

    Curt
     
  14. 525 KID

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    What is the most money won in a handicap calcutta that anyone knows of in the last 2 or 3 years, and where are the best calcutta's to be found in the country?? and on a monthly basis??? WHO HAS THE BEST CALCUTTA???
     
  15. grnberetcj

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    Hey KID....you employed by the IRS or what???

    Too many questions!

    Curt
     
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    Mix, thanks for the clarification. It seems that a set fee is charged at H events like lewis, long run, etc. and culcutta in your case. I presume that the club hosting the H event collects a certain amount via entry fee at the onset of the H event perhaps for an estimated number of targets. You sound like you have a larger number of shooters than we do. We don't get as many shooters, but it provides an opportunity for shooters to shoot a 50 bird match, get a little reward for skill, and helps our club throw more targets. I think 2 & 3 payouts will be fine. But if we hit 40 or more shooters I may pay out 4 places.

    525Kid, you sound enthusiastic about shooting calcuttas and games. Hope you're not a revenuer snooping around, like Curt is thinking. Nevertheless, I don't consider calcutta's to be gambling as you compare it to a casino. For the most part gambling is a game of chance and luck, (with the exeception of poker), whereas trapshooting, for the most part, is a game of skill. Keep in mind, at all of the big shoots there are various options you can play in singles, handicap and doubles events . . . gambling? No way, just playing the options to win based on skill, practice and effort.

    Hope you find some events that you want to shoot at.

    John E.
     
  17. Bocephas

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    525 KID,best Calcutta I have been in,a place in MO.They shoot each fall.

    Bocephas
     
  18. mixer

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    My club keeps no part of any fees for any option events including a calcutta. Every dollar collected for any option is returned to the shooter. In fact we contribute $3 per shooter per event to go towards class and yardage purses.

    Eric
     
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    mixer just a quick question you said.

    "Shoot a 97 or better and you're guaranteed a payout."

    How do you pay off if there are four 100 or more 100 shot?

    Bob Lawless
     
  20. mixer

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    Ties divide. If there are 2 or more of the same winning score then they divide that part of the purse. I know there are some who would say that the ties should get all the money for their group and the groups below them. When I run an auction I ask those assembled how they want the purse to be split and I go with the majority. I've yet to have any group say no to ties divide.

    Eric
     
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