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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Brian in Oregon, Mar 19, 2013.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    As the article states, a complaint to family services will result in an investigation in oder to determine the validity of the complaint.

    Perhaps the stupid ass should not have posted that picture on the internet. He should have just kept it as a part of his personal family photograph collection. Had he just cooperated with the police, they would have looked over his securement method and been on their way with no further report.
     
  3. skeet_man

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    Really showing your true colors there 548. Criticizing someone for exercising their First, Second, and Fourth amendment rights, all within 2 sentences. Don't you get bored being so wrong all the time.
     
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    Try selling that tired BS to a 1st Amendment attorney.
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    548, quote: <i>"As the article states, a complaint to family services will result in an investigation in oder to determine the validity of the complaint.

    Perhaps the stupid ass should not have posted that picture on the internet. He should have just kept it as a part of his personal family photograph collection. Had he just cooperated with the police, they would have looked over his securement method and been on their way with no further report."</i>

    Now I know you are a total anti-gun liberal wack job troll after posting such jackassery.

    Only an idiot can look at the picture and fail to see the kid is not being abused.

    This is what zero tolerance policies result in - abuse and suspension of civil rights, not to mention common sense.

    We've seen the recent phenomena called "swatting", where someone makes a false 911 call to get the SWAT team to do a raid on an innocent party, endangering both the innocent victim and the police. Yet you, with what few remaining brain cells you have, cannot see this is exactly the same situation. Someone who was bigoted against gun owners saw a perfect opportunity to commit a swatting against this innocent family. Yet because it's a gun owner, it's somehow OK. AND NOTE THE PERPETRATOR OF THIS CRIME IS GRANTED IMMUNITY.

    And have you ever heard of the First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments? Apparently you skipped school those days, too. We know you already weren't in class when the Second Amendment was being taught.

    And, you lame brain, there was no need for the cops to request he open his safe to check his "securement method". THE GUNS WERE INSIDE A LOCKED SAFE.

    If there's any "stupid ass" it's you, with your anti-gun, anti-constitution, anti-Bill of Rights and anti-common sense lunacy.

    I hope the powers that be here realize that you probably don't even own any firearms, and your end game is anti-gun trolling, and boot you off this site.

    You're an oxygen thief.
     
  6. noknock1

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    Too bad there just isn't plain old news anymore... Police raided the house, so to break that down, they knocked on the door and the wife granted permission for them to enter. During the 'raid' the wife is not stopped from using a phone to call/text the husband who rushes home and then calls his attorney. The attorney speaks on speaker phone, the husband/father/ property owner orders the police to leave. The police leave without 'inspecting' the guns, and no arrests are made.

    Not sure how this is a police state other than the fact the police receive a tip, we don't know the extent of the allegation other than it puts the police and CPS in a position where they now have to investigate.

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    So some one who has no other knowledge of firearms except watching the idiot media for example, another thread on TS right now has an interviewer calling a fully automatic or three round burst rifle a WEAPON OF WAR. In appearance this 22LR is identical to the WEAPON OF WAR that Border Patrol, CBP, Coast Guard, ICE, Secret Service or replacing existing old inventory.

    Regardless it is not hard to see why a parent would be concerned with the school shootings, etc. Right, wrong, or indifferent, people who have a concern have the right to report their concerns. Law enforcement are obligated to check out a concern. We still don't know the extent of the accusation. The system obviously needs fixing, CPS was called over 20 times to the home of where the kid shot his dad in the head. Something was missed by CPS and local law enforcement.

    The cops didn't take the weapons, what police state are we living in?

    What about a 911 hang up call and the cops show up at the house, know people are inside and yet no one answers the door? Should they kick the door and go in? I guess it depends, if you and your wife are tied up in the bedroom and the dirt bag is getting ready to execute you and rape your wife, then HELL yes the police should have gotten there sooner!

    On the flip side, if it was your grandson playing with the phone and he calls 911 and hangs up and you didn't hear the doorbell ringing repeatedly for whatever reason and the police kick the door in and order you to the floor and search the house, well then, what a different scenario, the police are jack booted thug assholes.

    Plenty on this site before have stated they would shoot police in such a scenario.

    No this instance is a poor example of a "police state."

    We need to find a credible instance with a similar fact pattern where the cops just go ahead and throw the guy in jail because he refused an order to open the safe. The cops then go ahead and get a lock smith to torch open the side of the safe and proceed to take the guns. The family attorney complains about his clients rights being trampled on, etc.. while the police go ahead and destroy the guns, and the DEFENDANT sits in jail for months on end without being charged or held on trumped up charges (whichever version gets one off more works) before finally being released 60 pounds lighter and partial vision loss from the beatings.

    Now I would buy into that kind of story and say "Yal, better wake up people, we are living in a police state."

    Come on, get real.
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    That's some pretty amazing fuzzy thinking there, noknock1.

    The entire false child abuse accusation was based on a photo of someone's son holding a firearm.

    That is clearly NOT child abuse.

    Zero tolerance laws and bigotry against gun owners overrode common sense and made this a potential "crime" to investigate, simply because policy requires it.

    So some bigot gets to make a false accusation and false police report but is granted immunity for his or her crime, utilizing a flawed system for their own sick amusement.

    And comparing this to a 911 hang up call made from within your own home? Please. try to use some forward thinking before posting. The two scenarios are in no way related.

    As far as the wife letting them into the house, keep in mind that the police talk tough and make veiled threats to gain access, often on shaky legal grounds. The husband did what the wife should have in the first place. He demanded they show a warrant.

    And yes, we are living in a police state. More and more agencies have armed police. Like Social Security. and look at the rise to power of DHS and TSA, with all of their abuses. Laws like the Patriot Act suspend constitutional protections.

    You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
     
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    I guess I'd better hide the photo of my grandson at one year old holding a Cricket 22!!!!

    CPS workers are worse then KKK members! Their "ideology's" are sic!!
     
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    The country has changed. We Baby Boomers allowed all this to happen on our watch. Between this and the national debt, we should be ashamed to look our kids/grandkids in the eyes.

    -Gary
     
  10. noknock1

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    CPS doesn't even need a picture to investigate a claim of child abuse, and we STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS SAID TO CPS AND THE POLICE.

    If CPS received a tip that said "Look at this facebook page, this child lives at 123 Oak Street, Wherever town." Click, phone goes dead and CPS requests the police to come along because there is obviously firearms on the premises then CPS and the police over reacted.

    If CPS received a tip like "At this address, the father is a right wing extremist who molests his kids and has a whole safe full of machine gun WEAPONS OF WAR" Well then CPS and the police have to follow up. We don't know the extent of the bullshit claim. It sucks, we as a society don't want law enforcement to have to build probable cause to obtain a warrant signed by a judge to get a child out of an abusive or hazardous living condition, i.e., pure and utter filth, illicit drug dens, physical and mental abuse, etc.. because law enforcement in 99% of cases would never be able to obtain enough probable cause in a timely manner. So meanwhile the child continues to suffer. However, we don't want the state to just take kids on bullshit accusations made by people who never even have to give their names!


    The 911 scenario is relevant because it shows two different scenarios, one in which based on exigent circumstances the police will force entry, the other being this specific case, the police did not make forced entry.

    So I guess we have two different kinds of police state definitions, I gave the scenario of what a police state means to me.

    Some cops talking tough and saying they will get a warrant and then leaving without incident.

    As far as the 7000 rifle contract to be filled over a number of years, geez, you will be shocked to learn that DHS probably has had over 15,000, 3 round burst, M-4 rifles. The border patrol has had these rifles for decades along with the Coast Guard, and ICE which use to be U.S. Customs Service (they worked lots of drug trafficking cases, still do, the immigration people who worked violent Hispanic gangs and human trafficker cases in which the traffickers are armed with rifles. ICE still does works these cases, Hell Phoenix is the kidnap capital of the world.

    So 7000 rifles are replacing rifles that are worn out that these federal agencies have possessed since the late 70's to 80's!!!
     
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    Boy, do some people have their heads inserted into body orifices.

    Let's see.

    A child participating in a LEGAL activity results in a call (does this constitute filing a false police report?) to an agency that contacts the police, who without PROBABLE CAUSE elect to try an enter private property and search for firearms without a search warrant. Then, when challenged they try to assert authority through intimidation.

    I wonder how many zeros the settlement will have after the frist number?
     
  12. hoot619

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    noknock1, you have so much information pray tell us what the hell do they

    need all the ammo they are buying for? Sure as hell ain't target practice! Ken U
     
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    To paraphrase an unknown, "May you live in interesting times." (sigh)
     
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    Gotta remember folks, 548 IS one of those jack booted, geared up thugs who gets off using his badge to shove people around.
     
  15. 548

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    Here's an idea, how about just being appreciative that whomever made the complaint to social services was concerned about your child. Once the call is made, the tooth paste is out of the tube. The cops and social services are coming. Do they have "probable cause" as one poster suggested? Of course not! When the level of probable cause is reached, doors are kicked in with warrants in hand and people go to jail.

    This was nothing more than social services following up on a complaint as they are REQUIRED to do. And because the complaint was involving weapons, the twenty something fresh out of college lone female social worker probably asked the police to accompany her for her safety.

    The most important factor in this case, what was said in the initial complaint and the history at this residence, is unknown based on this article. It's easy to read the article and think the thoughts that have been thought above. Before convicting your government, try thinking about what isn't said in the article.



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  16. 548

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    Notice how delicate Rick's comment was. He knows the complaint was probably bullsh!t. But he also knows the cops respond to bullsh!t calls everyday just to verify they are in fact bullsh!t.
     
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    The world we live in, facebook and other social media are not your friend by any means. There is a current witch hunt going on and our "leadership" has done nothing but divide the people further.

    No shortage of bloated government agencies with an agenda. (also no shortage of leftist civilian whacko's}.

    Sad because the kids dad is a range officer, NRA instructor. The proud young man completed his hunter safety course and was posing with his .22 cal rifle. (looks like an AR}.
     
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    Damn glad I didn't get as visit from SS back in the day.... My 2 boys ages 10 and 13 practicing for an ATA shoot...

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    548 said "Here's an idea, how about just being appreciative that whomever made the complaint to social services was concerned about your child"

    Yes 548 who wouldnt "appreciate" a cop violating your home, wife, and child!

    You see "we" Can't all flash our badges to our fellow cops and get out of EVERY TICKET, HOME INVASION, and, GENERAL POLICE DEGRADATION like you do.

    But yes, WHO WOULDNT APPRECIATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Home owner said "Nappen (my lawyer) asked me for the dyfs workers name. she wouldnt give it. i asked for credentials and she wouldnt show em. i tried to take a pic of her and she turned around real fast and walked away. After a while of them threatening to take my kids, get warrants and intimidation they left.
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    I hope he collects enough money that the local taxpayers demand someone's resignation over this.

    To have a system where malicious criminals are automatically granted immunity and no matter how wack their claims they are automatically investigated to the fullest extent of the law. The alarm bell here is that there was not enough in the way of anything credible to get a search warrant, but policy blindly dictated an on site raid with intimidation to forgo civil rights.

    This is the kind of world liberals like 548 applaud. It's obvious he does not believe the Bill of Rights is worth the paper it's written on.

    The worst cops are those who crap on the very constitution they swore to uphold. It means they lied when they took their oath. If they're going to lie about something that important, what ELSE are they lying about? Perhaps testimony in court?
     
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