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We have BUTLER GUNS!! In Stock!!

Discussion in 'For Sale- Members only' started by Bob Schultz, Apr 5, 2013.

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  1. Bob Schultz

    Bob Schultz Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    It took me a while to get my head around an auto loader trap/clay target gun that sells for eight grand! No way,José. Then....I got my hands on the BUTLER ARMS shotgun.

    Asthetically speaking, it won't win any prizes for artistic design. Its truly function over form. It does, however, get really good looking when you start to shoot it! I was expecting just another auto loader...wrong...this is a real piece of high tech machining that shoots like a dream and toasts targets from 16 to 27 with virtually no recoil! Just so you know, I'm a real wuss when it comes to recoil. In my misspent youth when I was indestructable and immortal, riding motorcycles and jumping out of perfectly good airplanes made a lot of sense and was fun. Not so much any more. I am paying for my youthful injuries with bad shoulders and more aches and pains than I care to complain about. That said, I use a Pro-Soft on my trap gun and I can honestly say the BUTLER ARMS XX12 has less recoil than any other gun I have shot, period. I was so surprised at the lack of recoil I missed a couple of targets thinking about it! Dumb.

    Ok, It doesn't kick. So what? Other autos don't kick either... Well, that's true. BUT...Other autos aren't built like this either! From a technical standpoint, it's the best of the best. Built to take thousands of rounds a year for many, many years. The only other auto even close to this is Ljutic's old BiMatic. I shot one of those for doubles for a long time and the fellow I sold it to 10 years ago is still shooting it! This one is even better! The BUTLER has all machined parts done to tolerances my old toolmaker uncle would have only dreamed of! The BUTLER is built with aero-space technology and over the top reliability. I shot an assortment of ammo, including reloads,through the gun with absolutely no issues..AND it drops the shells straight down around your feet. No more hitting the shooter next to you with your ejected empties. (The reason I quit shooting the Ljutic for doubles...)

    A release trigger is available at no charge. I felt the one I was shooting was a bit on the slow side so they are speeding them up to 80oz. pull and 30oz. release and that should feel much better. I'll let you know as soon as I get one and test it.

    The adjustable stock fits most folks with a bit of tweaking on the comb. I think I would put an adjustable pad on one to drop the heel of the stock a bit for me, but the lack of recoil makes almost any stock very forgiving. Wood is nicely figured American Walnut. A Monte-Carlo version will be available soon.

    The adjustable rib is very simple to adjust and once set will stay put. It's carbon fiber for better weight distribution and it works well. 50/50 to 100% high, this should be enough for most folks.

    The BUTLER ARMS auto is easy to disassemble and clean. The first time you take it apart and put it back together you'll be impressed how easy it is. Cleaning is a snap as the gun is designed to run DRY! For you grease guys it'll be hard not to goop it up...but don't do it! It's a happy gun with nothing on it at all..

    The BUTLER ARMS XX12 comes with an Americase and all the tools necessary to adjust and assemble. (1 wrench and 2 allen keys). A well written owner's manual is provided and the video online will help you with 99% of assembly questions.

    We'll have demos at most of the major shoots this year. Come on out and shoot one of the most amazing guns ever built.

    Tnanks for reading my long winded tome.

    Best regards, Bob Schultz 800-684-6329
     
  2. dave-320c

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    Bob

    If I understand the Butler correctly, the only difference between the trap and the skeet model is the comb on the stock.

    If this is correct, what is the charge for the skeet comb if one purchases the trap model?

    What is the factory warranty; are you covered if you use reloads?

    Regards, and good shooting,

    Dave
     
  3. Bob Schultz

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    Dave,

    You simply adjust the comb down and the rib up (50/50) to shoot skeet. No difference in comb other than adjusment.

    FREE ANNUAL MAINTENANCE PROGRAM (AMP)
    We want you to shoot your best every time you take your Butler XX12 target shotgun to the range. That’s why your Butler XX12 has been designed to perform, trouble free, for years to come. With AMP, every year, we’ll clean, adjust, tighten and tweak your gun for as long as you own it. It’s the perfect way to help you, and your new XX12, perform your best.

    BUTLER XX12 FIVE-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY
    Our firearms have a five-year limited warranty against materials and manufacturing defects for the original retail customer owning the firearm. The wood on our firearms carries a 90-day limited warranty from the date of original retail purchase, and covers only manufactured and material defects. If for any reason you think your Butler Arms USA firearm is not functioning properly, or requires warranty service, please contact us at 801.886.0188 or info@butlerarmsusa.com for instructions. Should repair be necessary, our service center will evaluate the firearm to determine the proper course of action. Abuse, alteration of the firearm, or use of non-factory ammunition voids our warranty.

    NOTE: All manufacturers stipulate factory ammo only. It keeps them from getting sued if someone puts a super hot reload in the gun and blows it up. They are aware that most shooters use reloads as are all the rest of the manufacturers...

    Gotta shoot one to belive it!

    Bob
     
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    BOB:

    How do you catch your empties when shooting singles?
     
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    just leave the lid off your old milker, the handle goes over the receiver. But it's a little noisey until you get some in to cover the bottom.

    and yes I am practicing for a new job as a comedian.
     
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    Thx Bob, Lots of us have needed that long winded explanation. It is a lot of money but it sure sounds like it is worth it. If Bob says it is a good gun it is. He is not the type to brag one up just to sell it
     
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    What's the magic that makes the gun shoot softer than other autos? Everytime I see pictures of the gun, it seems to me that the factory built a stock with a field configuration, instead of a parallel comb to the rib.
     
  9. Bob Schultz

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    Recoil has been the cause of more missed targets than anything else. That’s not the case with the XX12. Our bottom-barrel technology means that recoil HAS to travel horizontally – from the barrel directly to the stock – in a straight line. Traditional designs direct recoil back and up, directly into your cheek. Anticipation takes you out of your shot and makes acquiring a second target difficult.

    Above excerpt from BUTLER ARMS website.
     
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    I sure hope they ipo this thing! I want in on the ground floor! Tom Rhoads
     
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    Comedy is tough, Barry K.
     
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    Does the gun eject from the side or bottom of the receiver?
    If it's the bottom, how do you capture the empties?
     
  13. Bob Schultz

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    Bottom. Someone above suggested a milking pail with the handle over the top! Seriously, I would imagine one would have to leave them on the ground and pick them up later or leave them for the club.

    I'm sure someone will figure out a catcher for it sooner rather than later.

    Bob
     
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    Bob I hope they don't fall apart like the Demo guns did at major shoots, such as the rib falling off.

    It does not look like $8,000.00 of parts and material.

    I hope you don't take a beating on them.

    How many were sent to you? Availibility for more?


    Gary
     
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    Bob, how much without the wood?
     
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    Longsh?t were you at the Major shoots to see this for yourself or you just spreading BS??

    Don
     
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    Chipdaddy,

    You have a PM.

    Well shucks folks, I guess ol' Longshot let the cat out of the bag again. Yep, I'm sellin' them junk guns and tryin' to pull the wool over your eyes. Pieces flyin' everywhere! Duck! We're shootin' the Butler again...

    Get real. Every manufacturer has the same rough period when their prototypes get punished in a real world environment. The first Silver Seitz guns would "walk" the POI down about 10 inches as they warmed up! The venerated K-80's had all kinds of trigger problems the first year.(Remember the R/T?) I won't even begin to tell you the nightmares Beretta and Browning had with some of their single barrel guns. Yes, Butler had some issues during the initial run of prototypes, they took these failures and went back to the drawing board and addressed, redesigned and re-engineered. What is coming to us now is a refined piece of equipment that is well made and functionally sound. The folks at Butler are young and agressive and they are in the game for the long haul. I personally find it refreshing that they truly listen to their dealer's and shooter's ideas and suggestions. Butler simply wants to produce the finest gun they can. Have there been problems? Sure. Have they been addressed and fixed? Absolutely.

    Parts and material? Like Rolex and Timex. Probably have similar parts,why is one $200 and the other $6500? It's all in how you make them.

    Bob
     
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    Thanks for the emails & PM's. Pull or release trigger same price.

    As stated above, Monte Carlo in the works.

    Thanks,

    Bob
     
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    Mike.

    The Ljutic Dynokik is a derivative of the Space Gun. Recoil reduction comes from a large mass moving forward at the same time recoil is moving the gun rearward. I shot a Dynokik for a number of years and actually won our state singles title with it.

    The BUTLER ARMS XX12 delivers less recoil using a number of proven methods. The first being a gas operated auto loading action. Recoil is dissipated by the movement of the bolt and piston. The sensation of recoil is also diminished by increasing the duration of the recoil push...rather than a quick slap, the longer push is perceived as less recoil.

    The very low center of gravity combined with the very low bore centerline keeps muzzle rise to a minimum. No muzzle jump...no sore cheek!

    Hope this helps...

    Bob
     
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    No disrespect to any of our distinguished ATA All Americans. They are gifted people who have earned that status in our sport. But, as I've said many times, "most often the Indian and seldom the arrow".

    Sooner or later an All American will no doubt shoot a Butler. Jason Lee won the 27 yard trophy at the Grand American last year shooting one!

    More important than a big dog shooter...is the average shooter who likes to compete but recoil has become a problem. Also the lady shooter (a lady size gun will be out later this year...) who wants to compete but the recoil and weight of most guns is a bit much.

    Or old farts like me who for whatever reason hate recoil...

    There is a market out there for the BUTLER ARMS XX12. It might not be the gun for you, however it probably will be just perfect for some shooters.

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
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