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Watch out! Supreme Court is at it again

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by xringjim, Jan 18, 2011.

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  1. xringjim

    xringjim TS Member

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    In case you missed your morning paper today I'll fill you in. The Supreme Court has found that putting a measure on a ballot is not possible. Say what? In D.C. there are people that want to put a measure on the ballot that would make 'marraige' between a man and a woman. The court turned it down saying that to allow the measure on the ballot would be allowing discrimination. What? No matter what a measure might be. If the required signitures are gathered who is the court to overturn the Constitutional process? Let the people VOTE! Shouldn't matter what it is. Also, a case concerning a man traveling through New Jersey in 2005 was arrested for not complying with New Jersey guns laws even though he did everthing he possibly could to avoid it. Look up the details for yourself. But again, it comes down to the high court screwing the people worse than the politicians. Jim
     
  2. g7777777

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    You are nuts- you have mistated all the facts and rulling in both cases.

    Paranoid

    btw yes you do have to follow the gun laws in the state you are in-- and trying to follow them isnt following them. Bottom line- if you arent going to follow a state law be prepared for the impact.

    The Court struck down the ballot idea in DC without comment. DC however is a very special case as far as what can or cannot be decided there by ballot. DC is not a state and as such many normal functions are legally different.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  3. porky

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    Gene, What did the ruling say? Do you have the website?
     
  4. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    "Also, a case concerning a man traveling through New Jersey in 2005 was arrested for not complying with New Jersey guns laws even though he did everthing he possibly could to avoid it." Gotta agree with Gene, laws aren't written to come as close as you can. The guy should have followed through and did everything right. Bulge.
     
  5. cubancigar2000

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    go get em Gene LOL
     
  6. timberfaller

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    There are laws on the books that should be removed. The one in NJ is one of those. We used to be a free nation! Traveling between the states, one should not run afoul of gun laws PERIOD It goes back to the meaning of the word "infringed"

    For those who have forgotten and those who didn't know, back in the 70's a CCP was honored by ALL states. Even if the state didn't offer one, and you were traveling though or visiting that state, Your CCP was honored by police departments. Because in order to get one you had to have passed a state background check and that was GOOD enough. You were looked at as "trusted" citizen!!
     
  7. xringjim

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    GN. if D.C. is NOT a state then other states shouldn't be held to honoring the laws they pass. Right? Jim
     
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    Gene please explain how the laws are different for the "District of Columbia" vs the rest of the U.S. States. thanks, and why!-- "slid"
     
  9. g7777777

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    Timberfaller- says "a CCP was honered by all states" in the 70s-- that is absolutely false- another myth you see or here from "fringe" commentators

    Slip- the difference in DC and a state? Too numerous and complex to discuss here-== and it is also evolving---

    I guess my main thrust is that there are battles to be fought and there are ones to avoid--same goes here-- so much misinformation going around that it causes anger and frustration and really creates an environment where this "fringe" culture has its own life--- what we dont want to do is link these "fringe" cultures and gun ownership and shooting. If people do that- that is when gun ownership and shooting will be in trouble. The will of the American people can be an awesome thing and rarely displayed.

    We dont want the will of the American people displayed against gun owners and shooters because they associate us with the "fringe"

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    The details of the New Jersey case.... I know we seldom deal in facts but just for a little change...


    Revell was flying from Salt Lake City to Allentown, Pa., on March 31, 2005, with connections in Minneapolis and Newark, N.J. He had checked his Utah-licensed gun and ammunition with his luggage in Salt Lake City and asked airport officials to deliver them both with his luggage in Allentown.
    But the flight from Minneapolis to Newark was late, so Revell missed his connection to Allentown.

    The airline wanted to bus its passengers to Allentown, but Revell realized that his luggage had not made it onto the bus and got off. After finding his luggage had been given a final destination of Newark by mistake, Revell missed the bus. He collected his luggage, including his gun and ammunition, and decided to wait in a nearby hotel with his stuff until the next flight in the morning.


    When Revell tried to check in for the morning flight, he again informed the airline officials about his gun and ammunition to have them checked through to Allentown. He was reported to the TSA, and then arrested by Port Authority police for having a gun in New Jersey without a New Jersey license.
    He spent 10 days in several different jails before posting bail. Police dropped the charges a few months later. But his gun and ammunition were not returned to him until 2008.


    Revell said he should not have been arrested because federal law allows licensed gun owners to take their weapons through any state as long as they are unloaded and not readily accessible to people. He said it was not his fault the airline stranded him in New Jersey by making him miss his flight and routing his luggage to the wrong destination.


    Prosecutors said it doesn't matter whose fault it was: Revell was arrested in New Jersey with a readily accessible gun in his possession without a New Jersey license.

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    This is why you stay as far away from New Jersey as possible.
     
  11. xringjim

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    Gene, I don't consider the rulings made by the high court as 'fringe'. Whether we're talking 'wiggets' or guns or anything else. Jim
     
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    I've had differences with Gene here in the past, but I agree with his intent of saying most of these posts you guys keep copying and pasting are misleading and/or you don't understand them.
     
  13. g7777777

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    870 has it

    If you havent actually researched it- and are just passing on rhetoric of what some fringe person or some mistaken person has to say--- you are doing other gun owners a disservice

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  14. alfermann66

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    Gene, you make a lot of statements, but offer no documentation of fact. Perhaps, you should take your own good advice.

    Buz
     
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