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Was I wrong National Anthem?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Bernie K, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. Bernie K

    Bernie K Member

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    I was at a major shoot over the weekend. At the playing of our National Anthem when we were asked to please stand one of the shooters removed his hat turned his back to the flag at the squading counter and the American flag right behind the counter and him, and stood and with his head down shuffling his ATA cards while the Anthem was being played. Needless to say my blood pressure went up about 200 points. I did speak with the indivdual the following day when I was calm again and was told I was the second person that had told him it was improper. He told me he did not know what he had done wrong as he had removed his hat. Did I get my underwear in a bunch for nothing?

    I told him I had many friends that died in Nam so he could be there to shoot in freedom.. I guess I'am just getting to old.
     
  2. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    It ok to tell him about his mistake.

    But remember there is a whole generation and going into another one that has not been "taught" about the Flag nor the respect of IT!!!

    The only information I received as a kid was in the Scouts.

    And you can see what a few in our society are doing even to that group!

    Very little "National Pride" these days!

    Multiculturalism has instead given us, national gay pride, Latino pride, Kenyan pride, union pride, etc etc!
     
  3. Brian in Oregon

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    He's probably a Jehovah's Witness. In the 1930's the Watch Tower Society forbade Jehovah's Witnesses from saluting the flag, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance or participating in the National Anthem, citing that the flag was a false idol. Many follow these instructions by turning their back. What we might consider disrespect is them honoring the rules and covenants of their religion.
     
  4. bigdogtx

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    I imagine timber has hit it. Ask an old vet (Nam and earlier), seems most of these generations learned civics and what it meant and WHY. Today's generation doesn't know as you will most announcers at sporting events have to tell the "gentlemen" to remove their hats.
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    Disrespecting the flag is sensitive to me. Regardless where you go you will constantly see prople who could care less. What I don't understand is that when you go to a NBA basketball game and the singer goes into his/her jazzed up routine and sings the anthem with no respect to the words, music and beat. When I'm at these games and the singer begins his/her jazzed up verion, I have the right to stand up and shout: Sing it likes it's written or shut up. When he/she finishes butchering the anthem, people will actually stand and applaud.
    Unbelievable but true. Bob in Los Angeles
     
  7. Millwright

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    I believe any national anthem that is being played should be respected, regardless as to if it is your home country or not. As a proud Canadian I stand until both are played at any venue of any kind. There were lives given so that both America and Canada can be enjoyed as free countries. Everyone should take notice that Americans gave their lives for Canadians as Canadians have gave theirs for the very same reasons. It is my opinion that we should recognize this and hold it dear, me are neighbours allies and on many levels friends. It is up to everyone who believes in such values to make younger generations understand this.
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

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    The reason for the "jazzed up" versions of the Star Spangled Banner is simple.

    They can't sing.

    The Star Spangled Banner covers a wider octave range than most of the MTV generation of singers can handle. So to hide their lack of talent, they "jazz up" the song. The first thing to go is the octave range.

    The absolute worst, most disgusting version EVER was the one screeched by Rosanne Barr, where she sounded like a drowning cat as she grabbed her crotch. It's so bad, so disgusting, so disrespectful, that I'm not even going to post a link to the video of it. I have not watched anything by Barr since.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    Millwright, as the son of a Korean War vet, I've not forgotten that Canada sent 26,000 men and women to Korea, including 8500 combat troops, of which 316 were KIA, as well as 8 RCN destroyers and numerous RCAF aircraft, shooting down nine MIG-15s. Thank-you, Canada.
     
  10. Bernie K

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    God Bless our neighbors and fighters to the north.That's a big A
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    The Star Spangled Banner

    O say can you see by the dawn's early light,<br>
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,<br>
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,<br>
    O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?<br>
    And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,<br>
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;<br>
    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,<br>
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?<br>
    <br>
    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,<br>
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,<br>
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,<br>
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?<br>
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,<br>
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:<br>
    'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave<br>
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.<br>
    <br>
    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore<br>
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,<br>
    A home and a country, should leave us no more?<br>
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.<br>
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave<br>
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:<br>
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,<br>
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.<br>
    <br>
    O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand<br>
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation.<br>
    Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land<br>
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!<br>
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,<br>
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."<br>
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave<br>
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!<br>
    <br>
    (Additional Civil War period lyrics, added in 1861)<br>
    <br>
    When our land is illumined with liberty's smile,<br>
    If a foe from within strikes a blow at her glory,<br>
    Down, down with the traitor that tries to defile<br>
    The flag of the stars, and the page of her story!<br>
    By the millions unchained,<br>
    Who their birthright have gained<br>
    We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained;<br>
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave,<br>
    While the land of the free is the home of the brave.<br>
     
  12. Dusted1

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    The guy wears flip flops and lives in Berwick Pa.
    Did not show any respect for the National Anthem or the Flag.
    Just about everybody in the room saw him do what he did.