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Wads: Are they important?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Surferboy, May 29, 2008.

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  1. Surferboy

    Surferboy Member

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    A few months ago, I reloaded a dozen or so boxes of my usual handicap load (or so I thought). Our recipe has always been 21.5 grs. Green Dot, STS hulls, Rem. primers and Fig. 8 wads using a MEC 9000.

    Functioning with a "Chemo Brain," I mistakenly used white WAA wads, not the Fig. 8s. Another factor is that my scale isn't working and I'm starting to wonder if using the 36 bushing may be dropping alot more than 21.5 to 21.8 grs of Green Dot (MEC chart says 22.4). For years I weighed with #36 and never got very close to 22. Using these shells, am I pushing my luck from a pattern and pressure standpoint? Handicap yardage is only 21.5. Thanks, Steve
     
  2. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    if your loading 1 1/8 shot...per alliant web site YOUR ARE WAY OVER PUBLISHED DATA!!!! with what you have listed with either wad!!!!!
     
  3. oletymer

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    At 21.5 grains he is not way over published data. Alliant shows 21 grains for 1200 fps for both wads. They also show 21.5 grains for 1250 with the fig.8.
     
  4. maclellan1911

    maclellan1911 TS Member

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    Recipes
    Dram Equiv. Shot Wt.
    (ounces) Velocity
    (fps) Primer Powder Wad Grains Approx. psi Spacers Print
    2.75 1 1/8 1,145 Rem. 209P Green Dot Rem. Fig. 8 19 7,300 - Print this recipe
    3 1 1/8 1,200 Rem. 209P Green Dot Rem. Fig. 8 21 8,800 - Print this recipe
    3 1/4 1 1/8 1,250 Rem. 209P Green Dot Rem. Fig. 8 21.5 10,700 - Print this recipe
    2.5 1 1/8 1,090 Rem. 209P Green Dot Rem. Fig. 8 18.5 8,500 - Print this recipe

    sorry missed those on first search,
     
  5. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    If your Handicap yardage is 21.5, then I don't think you need the extra recoil you will get from loads that would be pretty good for the 27 yard line. I shoot from long yardage but I am certainly more comfortable with a 1200 ft/sec load.
     
  6. waverider

    waverider Well-Known Member

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    As others have stated, looking at the data, WAA12 and Rem Fig 8 are similar.

    If you had verified the powder drop on THAT keg of Green Dot before your scale went kaput, then you should be ok with the powder drops. The volume of bushings do not change. Get a new scale as soon as possible. My experience with Alliant's bushing chart is that the bushings tends to drop light from what is printed.

    I too think that 1 1/8 oz of shot at 1250 f/s is a little over kill for short and mid yardage, less than 25 yards.

    My personal preference would be to load for 1200 f/s with 1 1/8 oz of shot with Green Dot.

    Jason
     
  7. leadspreader

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    i wouldn,t even bother with 11/8 ounce of shot. I am 23 yd shooter and last handicap score was 94 with 1 ounce 7.5 shot around 1185 fps. green dot is a very tight patterning powderso I would slow them down a hair for 21 yd handicap and look for another powder for singles.
     
  8. 22hornet

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    Please get a scale.
     
  9. Shooting Coach

    Shooting Coach Well-Known Member

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    Listen to Big Bore and Mike. Green Dot, loaded to 1200 fps with 1 1/8 oz of shot will BOIL the target with wonderful patterns, and generate less recoil. You don't need the pounding of a 1250 foot load at that yardage.

    With the big load, at the end of the day, you will be more fatigued, and more likely to flinch. The lighter load will be an advantage!!!!

    I like 7/8 oz for Dubs, and 16's. I sometimes shoot 1 1/8 oz at the fence, but shot a 98 last weekend with one ounce.

    I don't know WHY I waste resources with the 1 1/8 oz load. (DUH)
     
  10. IM390

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    Let's talk Safety. Using a #36 bushing which could drop 22.4 grains of Green Dot would be 1/2 a grain over MAX if everything is working normally. MEC has told me many times they calibrate for at least 1/2 grain over MAX. MEC also says that progressive loaders drop lighter than single stage units. You can vary 1/2 grain from a full powder tube to a 1/4 tube. How full was the the loader when you check that last load? You talk of weighing your powder, how about weighing your shot? In a 1 1/8 ounce bar, 7 1/2 shot loads little more than one ounce and 8's ALMOST weigh 1 1/8 ounce. That's because of the volume they take up. EVERY TIME YOU BUY GREEN DOT POWDER, THE NEXT CONTAINER WILL BE DIFFERENT. Weigh a load at least once a month. Alliant says Green Dot today is not the Green Dot of two years ago. It burns cleaner, that means it will also load different. Your 16 yard shooting doesn't change until 23 yard handicap.
     
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