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Viz Sites<--- Do You Like Them On Your Gun??

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by smartass, Jun 28, 2007.

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  1. smartass

    smartass TS Member

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    Not sure how many use them

    NO or MAYBE- it just depends
     
  2. avidtrapshooter

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    a high viz bead will not improve your shooting, you should be able to take the beads right off the gun and still be able to shoot it fine the only time i use mine is to make sure i shouldered the gun correctly, and even that you will generally feel. i also don't like the idea of a bright colored bead on the barrel seems like it would distract me more then help.
     
  3. bigclown

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    My Browning XT came with a HiViz (green?) lite pipe installed. I broke it and put in a white one...the white seemed to distract me so I put in another green one. I don't look at the bead at all, but it is there in peripheral vision and works well. Best Regards, Ed
     
  4. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    Drew, I am convinced that my Uni-Dot hooded fiber optic front bead helps to prevent occasional crossfire but I avoid checking the beads when I mount my gun. If you had a lesson from Harlan, didn't he have one on his guns?
     
  5. esoxhunter

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    The Hi-Viz flourescent green sight is my favorite. I feel they are well worth the money. (For me anyway). Ed
     
  6. revsublime

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    i like my hi-viz white...shows up in my un-focused vision better than green & orange and i dont have to change colors cuz bird is same color as sight.
     
  7. BMC

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    I've never quite understood the Hi-Vis sight deal. I have numerous friends who use them in a variety of colors, but honestly have never taken the time to ask them why they prefer a certain color over another. The comment above by revsublime begs the question for my own interest.....what advantage is there to a bead being the same color as the target? I've heard that before but never saw there being a connection between the two. I've used the green ones before and they were a distraction to me. I prefer a little white one or even black for contrast. At night under the lights I could see the Hi-Vis sites being advantageous to quickly getting to the proper sight picture.
     
  8. JBrooks

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    2labman,

    I don't use a bead and I never see a "sight picture". I just see the target and my gun is already tracking because it is maintaining the geometric relationship between my line of sight and the center of the bore which I established when I mounted the gun.
     
  9. Setterman

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    Mr Brooks, This is always an interesting discussion. Do you shoot a night league, or ever shoot at night? The end of barrel will nearly vanish at night, thus there is no reference point for a "barrel to bird" relationship. If you shoot regularly at night and maintain a high average, I would then say that there are people who do not need a bead. Personally, I see a bead/barrel/bird reference when I shoot. I lost my bead one night, and it was not pretty, and I'm AA27AA.
     
  10. Setterman

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    Exactly my point 2labman. The reference, may not be a bead, but it could be the end of the barrel. Obviously, I don't focus on the bead, but I see it as a soft reference, or an obstruction that tells your brain where you are on the swing and timing. Spray "black out" on your shiney barrel, take your bead off, and shoot at night, and you will have no reference to determine the lead.
     
  11. Neil Winston

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    I put a red one on a couple of weeks ago and love it. I see - and use - the bead big-time and I see it better now.

    Neil
     
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    Damn it Neil; Now I have to replace my green bead with a red one!! When will this all end!! Ed
     
  13. oleolliedawg

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    The late,great,many time All-American Frank Little always talked about maintaining a bird-bead relationship. Pretty impossible without being able to see the bead!!
     
  14. Clay McCracken

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    Everybody that I know that bought a lightpipe sight, still has it...in their shooting box.

    It's a good idea, that just doesn't work for most people that I know that shoot trap.

    My theory: Anything that is pulling the eye away from the target is bad. Cluttered backgrounds, birds flying by, shooters moving around next to you, shell or target boxes rolling around the field, glowing sights, etc.

    I'd like to ignore those distractions, but just can't all the time.

    Mike T.

    Member FDIC...
     
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    I put one on my gun for a while, until I noticed my scores going way down. I took it off and ran 25 straight the first round without it and my scores went back up to where thay were before. They make you look at the bead instead of the target.
     
  16. likes-to-shoot

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    I like the green one on my XT but at night I put the white one on. The colored ones don't work very well under the lights.(for me at least). Also like the smaller diameter the best.

    Bill
     
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    Shooters will either love them or hate them and justify their opinion with a one round score of 25 straight or something else. I happen to like them as they provide a more accurate "bead target relationship". If I miss a target I know where the gun barrel was in relationship to the target and make the correction. I don't focus on the bead, but use the bead to align the target, pull the trigger. Just a matter of getting use to the bead... I am sure this discussion went on when the guns changed over from the brass bead to the white Bradley bead or cars went to power windows to roll up... some people don't handle change well. Fred
     
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    I don't use a Hi-Viz sight, but I do use the Uni-Dot. With the exception of my cowboy shotgun (not allowed for competition) and a home defense shotgun, I have them on all my shotgun sports and hunting shotguns.<br>
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    I crossfired badly with both eyes open, and had to shoot with one eye closed. My scores were poor and I had a hard time hitting aerial targets. Shot badly for something like 30 years.<br>
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    I put on a Uni-Dot, and my scores, which were in the high teens, dropped down for a couple of months (which for me isn't all that much shooting). Then I ran my first 25 and 50 straight.<br>
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    What 2labman says about looking at or seeing the front sight is important and spot on. You do not look at the front sight. You look at the clay AND WITH YOUR PERIPHERAL VISION you bring the bright dot to the clay. If you look at the bright dot directly, these sights WILL NOT WORK.<br>
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    With both eyes open, my left eye sees an opaque barrel, and my right eye sees a transparent barrel. This is why people who are opposite eye dominant cannot simply remove the bead, or use the barrel as a reference. Won't work. People who do not have this problem apparently have a hard time understanding this concept, and give faulty advice to those who do have this issue. Now, I can totally ignore the barrel, and the only things of any importance in play are the bright clay and the bright bead, and I'm simply overtaking the clay with the bead and giving the bead some lead over the clay. Another important point is that I can better judge distance with 3D vision now, which is important for hunting.<br>
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    As for the Hi-Viz sights, I can't use them, because I'd be right back seeing two bright beads, but especially with the left eye. The Uni-Dot puts the bead into a metal tube, which blocks the bead from my left eye. I crossfire with a Hi-Viz, but don't with a Uni-Dot.
     
  19. revsublime

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    BMC...i dont like the bead the same color as the target. For orange targets I'd use green...and vice-versa. but since I use white...it's of no importance.

    In all truth...same color bead probably wouldnt be a problem since the target is floating anyways. But in my mind...the contrast 'tween two different colors is best.
     
  20. smartass

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    That was really funny, revsubslime- apparently you have no clue, but that's normal for socialists.
     
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