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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, May 29, 2007.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    VIRGINIA GOVERNOR WANTS THE STATE TO MONITOR HOW MUCH AMMUNITION YOU HAVE AT HOME<br>
    <br>
    VCDL info on Gov. Kaine on VT incident<br>
    <br>
    I don't ever want to hear Governor Kaine piously disdaining political
    activism on the Virginia Tech incident again. He has now gone way
    over the top on political activism.<br>
    <br>
    Governor Kaine gave the panel investigating the Virginia Tech
    shooting incident its marching orders on Monday: Kaine let it be
    known that he expects the panel to recommend more gun control -
    including ammunition control!<br>
    <br>
    First Kaine does not invite any gun rights groups to be on the panel,
    and now he's telling the panel what he wants the panel to conclude.<br>
    <br>
    The results of that panel, if it includes gun or ammunition control,
    will be tainted and should be dismissed as a farce on the people of
    Virginia.<br>
    <br>
    What won't the panel do? With Kaine pushing a gun and ammunition
    control agenda and Kaine having said that "allowing students to carry
    weapons on campus would be a 'disaster'", the panel isn't going to
    recommend a solution that WOULD have made the VT campus safer:
    allowing both adult students and staff with CHPs to carry concealed
    on campus.<br>
    <br>
    Utah and Colorado already allow such carry and it works just fine, no
    problems, no 'disasters.'<br>
    <br>
    'Disaster' - that's the same baloney that we heard when Virginia was
    trying to pass 'shall-issue' permits in 1995. There was going to be
    blood in the streets, people would be dropping like flies, arguments
    would be settled by shooting somebody, etc.<br>
    <br>
    It was BS then and it is BS now.<br>
    <br>
    Clearly Kaine doesn't trust Virginia's adult college and university
    students with CHPs, who carry guns everywhere else but on campus.
    These are not immature kids, Governor Kaine. They are grownups.
    Many your age, Governor. Some have been to war and back. Some are
    mothers who have to go to school at night.<br>
    <br>
    We need to let our voices be heard on this issue loud and clear.
    Mark your calendars for June 11th, as the next nearing will be in
    Northern Virginia. We need people to speak to the panel in support
    of the right of students to defend themselves and against Kaine's
    attempt to preordain the results of the panel!<br>
    <br>
    It is particularly important to have college and university students speak.<br>
    <br>
    We do not have the time nor the location yet of that panel hearing,
    as they have not yet announced those details.<br>
    <br>
    As soon as we have the details, I will advise you.<br>
    <br>
    KAINE'S AMMUNITION-CONTROL AGENDA<br>
    <br>
    Besides tainting the panel, Kaine's suggestions that somehow the
    amount of ammunition possessed by the Commonwealth's 3 million gun
    owners should be monitored is ludicrous.<br>
    <br>
    What is he suggesting - that the police spot check our homes? Is he
    just going to pull a number out of thin air and say that more than
    "X" rounds of ammo is evil or requires some kind of permit?<br>
    <br>
    Cho had 377 rounds. Not much for those of us who do any real target
    practice. That's one or two afternoon's worth of shooting.<br>
    <br>
    On top of that, .22LR ammo is often sold in 'bricks' of 500 rounds
    and costs less than $20! A brick is just a single box of ammo and
    contains far more rounds than Cho had that fateful day.<br>
    <br>
    Many people buy in bulk to save on shipping costs. It's not unusual
    to buy over 1,000 rounds at a time. Five trips to the range,
    shooting a modest 200 rounds per trip (around one or two hours worth
    of fun) and it's all gone.<br>
    <br>
    Gun control - no logic, no gain, just emotion and sound bites.<br>
    <br>
    Kaine seems to be rocking really fast on his political hobby horse.<br>
    <br>
    Here's the article, ACTION ITEMS follow it:<br>
    <br>
    http://tinyurl.com/2cvczn<br>
    <br>
    Kaine wants lawmakers to change Va.'s gun laws<br>
    May 23, 2007 8:34 AM (8 hrs ago)<br>
    by Joe Rogalsky, The Examiner<br>
    <br>
    Virginia Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, center, addresses the first session
    of the Virginia Tech Review Panel in Richmond, Va., Thursday, May 10.
    Virginia Tech president Charles Steger is seated left as the
    eight-member panel studying the shooting rampage held its first
    public meeting. On Tuesday, Kaine said he is hopeful the General
    Assembly will overcome its affection for firearms and adopt changes
    to the commonwealth's gun and ammunition laws.<br>
    <br>
    Manassas - Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said Tuesday he is hopeful the
    General Assembly will overcome its affection for firearms and adopt
    changes to the commonwealth's gun and ammunition laws in response to
    the April 16 murders at Virginia Tech.<br>
    <br>
    Kaine would not discuss specific changes he would like to see or
    legislation he thinks would be palatable to the General Assembly.
    Though Northern Virginia legislators tend to support stricter
    gun-control bills, lawmakers from more rural and conservative regions
    routinely defeat such legislation.<br>
    <br>
    A bill to ban guns in libraries, for example, was quickly killed in a
    House of Delegates committee this year.<br>
    <br>
    Kaine already has issued an executive order requiring that law
    enforcement receive additional mental health information about
    individuals applying for a permit to carry a concealed weapon. Beyond
    that, he said Tuesday, he will wait for recommendations from a panel
    investigating the massacre in which a gunman killed 32 students and
    faculty members before committing suicide.<br>
    <br>
    "The recommendations should be ready in August, and that will give
    legislators plenty of time to look at the suggestions and talk to
    members of the commission," the governor told reporters. "We don't go
    back into legislative session until January, so there's a lot of time
    to work on this. I think we can get something done."<br>
    <br>
    In general, Kaine said, he is troubled that Virginia law allows any
    individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to
    monitor the cache. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, began his
    rampage with 377 rounds of ammunition, according to police. He also
    said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing
    students and faculty to carry weapons on campus "would be a disaster."<br>
    <br>
    State law allows institutions of higher learning to decide whether to
    allow firearms on campus and inside buildings. A pro-gun student
    group has recently formed at George Mason University to advocate for
    a change in school policy and state law.<br>
    <br>
    "We need the legislature to step in and tell the institutions of
    higher learning they have to allow law-abiding, licensed citizens to
    carry their weapons," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the
    Virginia Citizens Defense League.<br>
    <br>
    The governor was in Manassas to attend a ceremony at the site of the
    new state crime laboratory.<br>
    <br>
    --<br>
    <br>
    ACTION ITEMS!<br>
    <br>
    Let's leave a message for Governor Kaine at:<br>
    <br>
    804-786-2211<br>
    <br>
    and let him know politely, but firmly, that<br>
    <br>
    1) His suggestion on 'ammunition' limits is ridiculous<br>
    2) He should not tell a supposedly independent panel what their
    conclusions are suppose to be and<br>
    3) Adult students and staff with concealed handgun permits SHOULD be
    allowed to carry on college campuses!<br>
    <br>
    After calling and leaving your message, you can follow up with an
    email to the Governor using the following web form:<br>
    <br>
    http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm<br>
    <br>
    And, finally, here is a link where you can give the VT Panel your
    suggestions. Item #3 above is a good place to begin your comments:<br>
    <br>
    http://www.vtreviewpanel.org/CitizenComments/<br>
    <br>
    ***************************************************************************<br>
    VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL).
    VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to
    defending the human rights of all Virginians. The membership considers the
    Right to Keep and Bear Arms to be an essential human right.<br>
    <br>
    VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org<br>
    <br>
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    <br>
    SHOTGUNNER ALERT<br>
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    KAINE'S AMMUNITION-CONTROL AGENDA<br>
    <br>
    In general, Kaine said, he is troubled that Virginia law allows any
    individual to stockpile ammunition with no way for authorities to
    monitor the cache. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman, began his
    rampage with 377 rounds of ammunition, according to police. He also
    said college presidents and police chiefs have told him that allowing
    students and faculty to carry weapons on campus "would be a disaster."<br>
    <br>
    Cho had 377 rounds. Not much for those of us who do any real target <br>
    practice. That's one or two afternoon's worth of shooting.<br>
    <br>
    On top of that, .22LR ammo is often sold in 'bricks' of 500 rounds
    and costs less than $20! A brick is just a single box of ammo and
    contains far more rounds than Cho had that fateful day.<br>
    <br>
    Many people buy in bulk to save on shipping costs. It's not unusual
    to buy over 1,000 rounds at a time. Five trips to the range,
    shooting a modest 200 rounds per trip (around one or two hours worth
    of fun) and it's all gone.<br>
    <br>
    Also keep in mind that ammunition cache control and restrictions on quantity was one of the major goals of the old HCI long term goals plan. We were laughed at when we said this was coming. Now it's here.
     
  2. Gargoyle!

    Gargoyle! TS Member

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    They tried to make you as the buyer sign a book with your drivers lic on what ammo you bought. That was in the mid to early 70's. It was meant to be for any ammo that could be put in a pistol. It died a slow death but a death that the store owners started. They got tied of the BS and just stopped doing it. I just hope the two houses just look at him and say NO to his bill.
     
  3. ANTRIM UDF

    ANTRIM UDF TS Member

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    PC Rhetoric. Let`s do SOMETHING even if it is WRONG!!
     
  4. incognito

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    My cousin lives in Illinois, and he tells me they record how much ammo you buy. Every time you purchase ammo, they record the sale in a book that is sent to the state. There isn't a limit, yet.
     
  5. ronbo142

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    Incognito

    I buy ammo SEVERAL times a month at both Rurual King and at J&J Guns at Sparta and have at no time seen that my purchase was OFFICALLY recorded.

    Ronbo
     
  6. incognito

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    You better check. I was told that the purchase has to be recorded along with your FOID number and sent to the state.
     
  7. bill1949

    bill1949 Well-Known Member

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    I knew Kaine was going to be an asshole. I hope all my fellow Va. citizens who voted for him, especially gun owners, are happy now!... Bill
     
  8. Roger IL

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    Incognito, you are wrong .....Roger
     
  9. Quack Shot

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    bill1949:

    I couldn't have said it better myself! It sure didn't take him long to show his true colors. Let's just hope he gets involved in a major scandal and is forced to resign.....Quickly!
     
  10. 100straight

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    I moved out of Illinois a year ago. When I bought ammo some places would write my FOID info in a book, and some didn't. Seems like it was usually the big chain stores that wrote it down, like Wal Mart or K's Merchandise. I know K-Mart used to before they quit selling ammo. I'm glad to be out of anti-gun Illinois, but it is possible my work may take me back there. I hope I can still have a gun there if I have to move back. Although I must say the politics aren't much better in Wisconsin. I'm thinking about Texas.......????

    Shoot well and often,

    Mark.
     
  11. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    Incognito. No such requirement or state logs in Illinois. If some are doing it, it is a company policy. I'll bet you can find someone doing this in every state in the Union.
     
  12. Sgt. Mike

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    Any right we feel we have can be given up on a voluntary basis. When someone comes to your house and asks a question invoke the 5th Ammendment and say you want an attorney. Also you are invoking your right to remain silent and your are not going to allow anyone to search your home. Don't every surrender any right. No matter what the threats about search warrant, kids going to foster homes, wife going to jail, don't give up your rights. When enough say "NO" they will get the picture.

    Also do they have the manpower to undertake such an action and what about the expense to the taxpayer? Stupidity has a habit of getting it's way. Michael
     
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