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Verizon Users in U.S. NSA has record of all calls

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by pyrdek, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. pyrdek

    pyrdek Active Member

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    EXCERPT Link to full article below

    US govt secretly collecting data on millions of Verizon users: Report
    The Ticket
    By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 48 mins ago

    Can you hear me now? Eep. The National Security Agency (NSA) has been collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon customers – right down to local call data – under a top-secret court order issued in April, Britain’s The Guardian newspaper reported late Wednesday.

    Under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) order, the Guardian reported, Verizon Business Services must provide the NSA “on an ongoing daily basis” with information from calls between the U.S. and overseas – but also with calls entirely inside the United States. Calls made entirely overseas were not affected.

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  2. BuddyTrapChamp

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    every phone company has to keep every phone call and text message for at least 5 years
  3. WS-1

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    I use the phone only for things like what time choir practice starts or who's boinkin' whose old lady. When I want to engage in serious sedition and anti-Obama communications, I use the trusty ol' Post Office. If I plan to blow up an IRS office or kill a bunch of commies, I rely on good old fashioned "Snail Mail." It's easy to plan a mission by sending out an order for synchronizing watches a week ahead of the event. Look out for next Monday.
  4. WS-1

    WS-1 Well-Known Member

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    Why is Neville Chamberlain so easy to forget?

    Why is Winston Churchill so easy to remember?
  5. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    The funny part is the protagonist of Orwell's "1984" is named Winston.

    HM
  6. trapperwads

    trapperwads Well-Known Member

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    Don't boycott Verizon. Everybody switch to Verizon making NSA so busy they won't be able to take a whiz. ed
  7. Joe Potosky

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    RE: old fashioned "Snail Mail

    A high-tech computer system captures images of “every mail piece that is processed” by the United State Postal Service
  8. TNCoach

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    An old timer asks his grandkids if they would drive him down to the Verizon store so he can get a cell phone.

    His grandkids are stunned that after all these years grandpa is finally going to embrace technology.

    They ask him in disbelief why after all these years are you going to get a cell phone?

    ...grandpa takes a minute to response and says that "I've been trying to get the government to listen to me for the last 50 years - I figure this is the only chance I'll ever get!"

    Enjoy
    TNCoach
  9. Catpower

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    Good one coach

    I hope they never listen to my phone calls, they are usually made after I have had a few brewskis and call my buddies that have done the same

    I guess they would have to come to the same conclusions as we do, a couple of old babbling idiots, that talk alot and never say anything
  10. CharlieAMA

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    I don't what they are going to do with the information they get from normal people like all of us. The WSJ reported yesterday, that ATT and another outfit is getting hit as well. Hussein sure has alot of time on his hands, to need all of this info.
  11. SF SGM

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    Maybe the law has changed but when I was in, the U.S. military was prohibited under the Posse Comitatus Act from conducting intelligence gathering on U.S. citizens inside the U.S.. Now, NSA is headed by DIRNSA, Director of National Security Agecy, and is a star command, rotated between the Army, Navy and Air Force. The majority of the operators(collectors) are members of the military from Army INSCOM, Navy NSG, and the Air Force Security Service. Also, NSA is headquartered at Fort Meade, an active Army installation.

    I guess the law must have changed as I know our own government would not break the law. This was brought up numerous times during my career but the last time that I can remember was the proposed use of SF inside the U.S. for drug interdiction missions...

    Van
  12. CharlieAMA

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    Maybe this 'intelligence gathering' is being done under the Patriot Act.
  13. slide action

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    They are reading your E-mails, recording you phone calls, looking at your social media pages, tracking your gun transactions and spying on your every move already! This should be no suprise!!! They view ANYBODY, who doesn't agree with their marxist, socialist agenda, as a threat!
  14. Joe Potosky

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    Also, many police departments (and communities) are recording license plate numbers via camera and maintaining information on your travels in a data base.
  15. pyrdek

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    The really bad part is that since this "surveillance Genie" has been let out of the bottle, it will not matter who is in power in any country of the world, such spying can and will continue. If not by the U.S. then it might be China, or Russia, or England or France or Egypt or .........

    Now that people know it can be done, IT WILL BE DONE. And it does not matter what the Law says, it will be done.
  16. CharlieAMA

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    Hmmmmm. Should we now begin our phonecalls and emails with- 'Hello NSA' ?
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    While Verizon entities are named in the order found, there are almost certainly similar orders requiring the other carriers to provide the same information.

    Sadly, Americans so far are allowing their Congresscritters to assure them that this loss of freedom is needed in the name of security.
  18. CalvinMD

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    Switch to T-Mobile,..their calls drop so much NSA wont even have a complete sentence to scrutinize
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    I hope you all understand that the NSA would get this information with or without court approval. All the court order does is allow them to use the information as evidence in a prosecution. The entire existence of the CIA and NSA is to gather information by whatever means necessary, lawfully or unlawfully; doesn't make a difference as long as the intelligence is gained.

    I'm ok with it, and you should be too.
  20. darr

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    This is no great surprise.And the explanation is no big surprise either. Whatever it takes to keep us safe,right?

    The question that should be asked is what to do instead of violating civil rights. How about we start with denying entry to the USA people that have the profile of someone that would want to kill us. How about we quit funding countries that want to kill us. How about we get out of the middle-east.


    The answers sure seem simple.


    Darr