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V1582 Trap Information needed...

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  1. AdamsRibs

    AdamsRibs TS Member

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    Hi, Y'all, been some time since I've participated here. Too many
    things going on to describe 'em all, so let's just say, like
    Arnold Schwarzenager would say, "Im Baaaaaak!"
    My reason for this thread is a need for some info and advice.
    The Club I'm presently associated with has had an old Winchester
    V1582 Wobble trap for a number of years, in non-working
    condition. We decided, as a fun project, to get the thing
    working again. We have torn it down to small pieces, replaced
    all worn parts we could identify, and reassembled it. Lo and
    Behold, the thing works!...... We have one problem remaining
    which I am hoping to resolve with some expert advice from you
    old-timers who may have some experience with those machines.
    At the current time, all is fine but for the fact that the
    machine breaks about 1 out of every 5-10 birds it throws. The
    targets are not broken when they are dropped onto the "elevator"
    nor are they cracked when they are in the loaded and ready to fire
    position. The rubber rail is not hardened, edges are sharp and
    square. The only thing which looks odd to me is that the
    targets, when in the ready-to-fire position, are about 1/4"
    away from the rubber rail. It seems that the targets should
    be pretty much right against that rail, but maybe that is not
    the case. I'm thinking of how we used to load them on the old
    handset traps.
    Anyhow, that is where we are..... Anybody got any pertinent
    ideas????????

    Good to be back,
    Adamsribs
     
  2. grunt

    grunt TS Supporters TS Supporters

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    Target should be next to the rubber on the arm. The rubber should have a slight clearence above the rim of the target..
     
  3. AdamsRibs

    AdamsRibs TS Member

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    Grunt,
    When I watch the arm/target when the arm is rotating
    into the cocked position, it looks like the final little
    bit of travel sort of 'kicks' the target ahead about
    1/4 inch. I assume that the position of the target relative
    to the rubber is changed by moving the arm/rubber forwards
    and backwards so that the curved part of the rubber is in
    the correct position relative to the position of the target?
    The rearward (with the arm in the fired position) part of
    the rubber appears to be fixed by the rear screw/nut so it cannot
    move toward or away from the target. It appears to only
    move forward or backward in line with the arm. Is the
    spacing between the rubber rail, when in the cocked position,
    adjusted by moving the curved part forward and backward or
    by moving it 'east and west' relative to the target? I can't
    find any adjustment procedure for that rubber rail in the
    manuals I can download from the Internet. Do you know of
    any such adjustment procedure which I can download and
    view????
    Thanks for the advice, I thought that the target should
    pretty much be in contact with the target....

    AdamsRibs
     
  4. oldgahchamp

    oldgahchamp Active Member

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    I don't have a manual in front of me to use the correct names of the parts but is the finger in place that rides on top of the target? Also, how about the small "L" shaped part with the tiny springs on it? These usually stop the target from moving forward when in the "up" position. One finger is for single targets and one is for doubles. Hope this little bit of info helps as I'm not an expert on traps and my club has gone to Pat traps and we're not sorry. Larry Evans
     
  5. Big Jack

    Big Jack Well-Known Member

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    Larry hit the nail on the head..The target stop (spring loaded bracket with two "L" shaped stops-one finger for singles..one for doubles) should be adjusted to position the target against the arm without a gap. I've even seen a couple of people mount brushes on the bottom of the turret in place of the nylon finger on the bottom of the turret to hold the target from moving from the arm. We have also switched to Pat Traps so I'm working from memory.

    Big Jack
     
  6. AdamsRibs

    AdamsRibs TS Member

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    Jack/Larry
    The finger which "rides" the top of the target is in place and moving freely. Both of the "L" shaped fingers are there, with the singles finger up and the doubles finger down. I'll check to see if the singles finger is doing it's job, now that I know what it is supposed to do. Our club has not used the WW wobble trap for a long time, currently using Pat and Beomat traps. It has become more of a challenge than anything else but we are SO close.....

    Adam
     
  7. Ljutic111

    Ljutic111 TS Member

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    The Astro Turf brush that was mentioned above should correct the 1/4 in. movement . On our newer Super Star , they had to install a longer bristled brush , slightly longer than the one on the first machine we installed . The target was 1 in. away from the throwing arm ?? and also breaking 25% of the targets .
     
  8. AdamsRibs

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    OK, I'll check for that stud on the Elevator when I get out
    to the club again, maybe tomorrow.

    Adam
     
  9. AdamsRibs

    AdamsRibs TS Member

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    to rwm12,
    What is the part number of the item you are calling the elevator? I don't find an "elevator" listed in the part numbers for the V1582. Perhaps the
    Winchester manual calls it something slightly different, like a lift plate, etc?

    Adam
     
  10. traploader

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    Message sent Adam. I install a target retaining spring.

    Ian Brotherston Western Retro Products Ltd.
     
  11. whiz white

    whiz white Strong Supporter of Trapshooting Banned

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    I think I may have a manual or two left for the 1582 and 1583 machines. If I do, mine are $25 because I have all the parts pictured, labeled and referenced in the price listings.

    I also have the man who built these machines new living down the road and he does some work for me from time-to-time.

    I orchestrated the Winchester buyout and move here to Rapid City SD.

    Whiz White
     
  12. AdamsRibs

    AdamsRibs TS Member

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    rwm12,
    In your post of the 22nd, you referred to the "elevator" 2 times.
    That was what I was looking for at the time. I believe the item you
    are referring to is a U207W "Target Guide Shelf Assembly". I'll check
    for the stud you refer to. Thanks again,

    Adam
     
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