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USA causes of death...death by gun?

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  1. rpeerless

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    Table B. Deaths and death rates for 2009, and age-adjusted death rates and percent changes from 2008 to 2009, for the 15 leading causes of death: United States, preliminary 2008 and 2009
    [Data based on a continuous file of records received from the states. Rates are per 100,000 population; age-adjusted rates per 100,000 U.S. standard population are based on the year 2000 standard; see ‘‘Technical Notes.’’ For explanation of asterisks (*) preceding cause-of-death codes, see ‘‘Technical Notes.’’ Figures are based on weighted data rounded to the nearest individual, so categories may not add to totals]
    Age-adjusted death rate

    Cause of death (based on the International Classification of Diseases,

    Death
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    Tenth Revision, Second Edition, 2004)
    Number
    rate
    2009
    2008
    change
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    All causes .................... ...................
    2,436,652


    1. Diseases of heart ...................... 598,607


    2.Malignant neoplasms ...........................568,668



    3. Chronic lower respiratory diseases .................... 137,082



    4 Cerebrovascular diseases .......................... 128,603




    5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) .............. 117,176




    6. Alzheimer’s disease...............................78,889




    7. Diabetes mellitus .............................. 68,504



    8. Influenza and pneumonia ......................... 53,582



    9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 48,714



    10. Intentional self-harm (suicide) ............... 36,547



    11. Septicemia .................................. 35,587



    12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis .................30,444



    13. Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease ....... 25,651



    14. Parkinson’s disease............................ 20,552



    15. Assault (homicide)..................16,591



    All other causes ...............................(residual)471,455



    1Based on number of deaths.
    2For unintentional injuries, suicides, and homicides, preliminary and final data may differ significantly because of the truncated nature of the preliminary file.
    NOTES: Data are subject to sampling and random variation. For information regarding the calculation of standard errors and further discussion of variability of the data, see ‘‘Technical Notes.’’

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    Comment:

    This chart is all age groups. Democrats want to tackle the problem of assault. Of the 2,436,652 deaths that occured in the USA, the dems want to tackle the cause of death Assault at 16,591 and are throwing all kinds of tax payer money at the problem. Of those assault deaths, a small percentage are guns with fists, knifes, & boards leading, and of the guns a small percentage are "assault guns".

    How about tackling some of the Larger problems like upgrading instead of downgrading healthcare and better preventive treatments? Our medical system is being destroyed. How about more money for research?

    That instead of the focus on murder by gun and leave the crime solving to the law enforcement agencies.


    If you can find more current stats, please post. Although these are 2009 totals the percentages basically remain the same or vary slightly from year to year.
     
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    Keeping things in a proper perspective nationally and for the sake of the Nation. US Children's mortality rate anually is around 25,000 with the highest figures from disease, birth defects, accidents (unintentional)such as drownings etc. with guns placing near last around the just above zero % level. This from several tables. Searching for more current tables to post. If you can find one feel free to post.

    Approximately, 24,980 children tragically passed away unacknowleged by the current adminstration as well as an additional 55,000 (est.) babies that are aborted anually.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Causes_of_death_by_age_group.png
     
  4. shot410ga

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    Based on the math, assaults represented .0068% of all deaths. I would like to see that broken down by instrument used. I.E. pistol, rifle, knife, fists, etc. Not much considering 310,000,000 people in the united states.
     
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    The total of all assaults (not deaths) is as follows from FBI stats (table 15) for 2009 in keeping with the stats above:



    Firearm 146,650



    Knife 131,393



    Other 234,966



    Hands/fists 189,462




    Conclusion: of 702,471 assaults, firearms were used in 146,650.(believe includes police, law enforcement use of firearms). That would be .208 or 20% of assaults were with firearms. 80% of assaults were with other than firearms.
     
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  7. rpeerless

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    It's for the children...
     
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    So now look at thread "FBI Murder Stats" and you will see the 2011 assault deaths from firearms keeping in mind total deaths by assault and total assaults. How many assaults/deaths were thwarted by use of a firearm? Can we find that stat?


    From 'FBI Murder Stats' thread:
    "FBI murder stats from 2011

    Total Murders: 12,300

    Total Firearm Murders: 8,407

    Rifle(Assault Weapons): 310

    Shotguns: 348 (Think about it!!! who will be banned next?)

    Knives: 1,650 (Are we checking ownership of the wrong weapons?)"











    From CDC chart 2009

    15. Assault (homicide)..................16,591

    So murder rates dropped from 2009 to 2011 by 4,291 persons. Does that drop correspond to gun sales going up?

    According to Drudge there has been a dramatic increase in gun sales during the Obama years.

    Twenty six precious lives lost by gun but 4,291 precious lives saved by guns, can that be proven to be true?
     
  9. rpeerless

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    Quick save the statistics before they get altered:(
     
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    edited the subject ....
     
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    You would think that by looking at the USA Cause of Death statistics, an investigation should take place regarding the possiblity that germ warefare on the domestic front or some unknown substance could be the underlying cause of some, if not all, of the increases of the main causes of death in cases other than old age and accidents.

    The taxpayers mega money that is being thrown at disarming America (with such low cause of death by gun stats) should be used for medical research to really make a difference in the statistics and the lives of Americans of all ages with children being the most vulnerable. That would include more research on mental illness and drug induced mental disorders and testing of medications.



    Putting more money into the hands of investigative services for laws that are already on the books would lower the homicide rate even further for example with repeat offenders and undocumented Democrats.


    The increase in Americans who are providing for their own safety has already made a difference by the decrease in homicide rates from 2009 to 2011 coupled with reports of increased gun sales.


    So why all the new gun legislation and at what cost to taxpayers knowing that none of it will stop another Sandy Hook?

    How much is gun legislation costing the taxpayers including the figures of those companies and taxpayers who feel forced to relocate because of the legislation and lost jobs due to closings?

    While we all are hurt by the senseless murders of innocents which, thank God, is the exception and not the rule as shown by statistics, would not the taxpayers monies spent on 'regulating guns' serve the public better by policing diseases and research?

    America does have a future vision beyond this administration that transcends all current agendas.
     
  12. Leo

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    Every one of these political plans have the same fatal flaw. Their assumption is that armed criminals will go away when they take the guns away from legal, law abiding citizens. That assumption is so foolish it is laughable.

    As a person who has lived in a major city and has studied psychology, I make this guarantee. The first week the welfare checks do not make it into the hands of the liberal voting block, there will be herds of criminals coming to your house and taking what they want. Your law enforcement will be back at the office telling you to file your own report on line, they will not be able to help.

    Armed, as the Constitution guarantees, you MAY have a chance. Disarmed, like the liberals want you, the chance to survive will not exist. Distance from urban centers may be a little buffer, but anywhere you can get with one tank of gas will not isolate you.
     
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    So what is your point rpeerless.You are trying to make sense out of this situation.Gun control laws don't have anything to do with saving lives.They are about controlling the citizenry.For every 1 politician that truly believes gun control saves lives there are 20 who just don't want you to have the power that a gun affords you.They just use the saving lives argument to advance their agenda.Quit racking your brain trying to make sense of it.It is a senseless situation.


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  14. johnstefanowicz2

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    I've yet to see the stats on deaths by suicide, by guns. They confound the data.
    But if your local media reports these, most do not. Such a terrible liability to give an honest, open reporting. John
     
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    Sorry. I ran through your data too quickly, and my question has been answered.Thank you. John
     
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    The point is the elected officials are there to serve the public not the other way around.

    The whole premise for the gun legislation is wrong and if it is to honor those that died, it does not and should not be used that way.

    If the premise is wrong, the legislation is simply not warranted and does not keep this kind of atrocity from happening again.

    This is like a locomotive engineer reaching into an artist's paint box and telling the artist that he can't use a certain brush or pallet knife.

    The statistics tell a different story than those, that are supposed to represent us. would have us believe regarding guns. This 'feel good legislation' taints our view of all of civilized America and all Americans that own guns and enjoy outdoor sports.

    Nothing will ever make up for the loss of life, by murder, suffered at Sandy Hook; the families lives are changed forever and so are ours in the way we think and trust.

    Increased intrusions into innocent people's lives are the result of the bad legislation leading to the suffering again of innocents who must give up their jobs, their homes, their possessions and their way of life because they can not bear the tyranny that is being forced upon them by 'feel good legislation'.
     
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    John that CDC figure was total suicides not with guns only.
     
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    Found another stat recently. Cellphones account for 900+ auto/pedestrian deaths per year because of distraction. This is higher than assault weapon fatalities. Bet no phones will be confiscated !!!!
     
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    Entire confiscation of guns would save 8,407 lives if criminals turned in their guns( but law enforcement officers would be without guns, too for I believe their stats for killing criminals are included in the 8,407). That would be 8,407 lives (homocides) out of a USA population of 310,000,000 lives a figure aforementioned.

    How many lives are saved because of guns per year? I bet it exceeds 8,407.

    Edit: "The Lott and Mustard report cites and tends to confirm -- but does not depend upon -- the work of Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz of Florida, whose surveys for the journal Criminal Law and Criminology found 764,000 to 3.6 million defensive uses of guns per year. "


    I bet no phones would be confiscated too, however, victim's families may not stop grieving until all phones are confiscated or all auto's are confiscated or they may not stop grieving at all.

    So where are the tons of anti gun money coming from and going to...it could be saving lots more lives instead of destroying more lives.

    A few new hospital wings, or research equipment might be a better tribute and honor for the 26 Sandy Hook victims but who am I to say.


    Destroying other innocent people's lives via tyranny, is no way to honor innocent victims...it just makes more victims of a different type.
     
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    Clarified the above ^. I think.




    http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130409/OPINION02/130409161&source=RSS
     
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