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US Landowners Resist Building of Border Fence

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by 100straight, Jan 10, 2008.

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  1. 100straight

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    Federal government prepares lawsuits to obtain land for border project.
    The New York Times /AP (1/10) reports that the federal "government is readying 102 court cases against landowners in Arizona, California and Texas for blocking efforts to select sites for a fence along the Mexican border," according to a Homeland Security Department official. The Bush administration plans to built "370 miles of fencing and 300 miles of vehicle barriers by the end of the year," and the lawsuits "would mark an escalation in the clash between the government and the property owners." Some property owners have given the government access to their land, but others have not. "Resistance is most intense in Texas, which accounts for 71 cases," and California has 20 cases, Arizona, 11. The report notes that not all the properties may be used, but "[o]fficials need to determine which to buy or seize through eminent domain, or whether alternatives such as lighting, more Border Patrol agents, or technology would work better in those areas."
     
  2. g7777777

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    This is normal

    The land belongs to private individuals-- you cant just take it-- or use it- whether or not someone thinks it is for a good purpose

    It is no different than if the govt decided your back yard would be a good place to build an obervation tower so that the police could climb in and look for sex offenders-- you might want to have a say about that and either have a court decide or be compensated if it does in fact happen

    Gene
     
  3. halfmile

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    I think the horse is already gone.

    HM
     
  4. Hipshot 3

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    Do you mean to tell me that the freaking government didn't have sense enough to purchase a "no-fly" zone[so to speak] along the national borders way back when? Unreal! If that had happened on Bush's watch it would have been partly understandable, but it didn't!
     
  5. grammie

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    Yes!!!! Yes you can take someones land!!! It will be done under "emminent domain"!!! Because,,the action would be "for" the benefit of the american people!!!!!

    How is that????

    From todays Arizona Republic--------The U.S Border Patrol confirms today,,,,29 recorded incursions into the United States by Mexican Military or "other" government agents in the last 12 months!!!!!

    Now then,,,,,Some of those landowners take drug money and provide "safe houses",,,,of course they don't want that to stop!!!!! And some of those "incursions" were "escorted drug runs" into this country,,,and some were for "other" reasons........

    AKA Grammie...........
     
  6. prince_of_darkness

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    grammies right.
     
  7. g7777777

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    No Grammie isnt right- grammie is repeating something he heard

    The government can try to take the land- a person is entitled to their day in court and the government may not win

    Also even if the government does win-- they must pay-- sometimes it helps to go to court because the value of the land might improve just by going towards court -- even if you dont walk through the door

    Gene
     
  8. incognito

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    ctreay,

    That would make sense, but unless it's change in the last 35 years that's not how it is. My brother used to own land near Campo California and his land went right to the border. I used to think it was neat to stand with one foot in the US and the other foot in Mexico.
     
  9. cdconley

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    I'd sure like to hear the rest of the story. My guess is there is more to the story then the media would have you believe. I don’t often agree with things that Grammie comes up with, but the point of some landowners being on the take, he’s correct. We have a couple of Indian Tribes that have land bordering Mexico and they have been a real pain in the butt for BP and local law enforcement. It seems that they are on the take allowing drug and human trafficking through their reservations. Fortunately their attempts to block BP from the area along the border was tossed out of court and it was determined that the federal government has the right to guard the border no matter who owns the land. But my guess is you have more then one reason for these issues to come up. Along with the people that are on the take from smugglers, you also have people that just want a quick buck. If the government wants to give them 100k for a 10’ strip they’ll want 200k. Most probably would want the fence regardless, but when the government comes knocking and makes an offer the dollar signs start flashing and greed sets in. I’m guessing this is the case with most of these people. We probably have a very small number of “open border” nuts that might own land on the border, but don’t live there and are making a political statement, I would count on a couple of these cases. But the government would probably be financially wiser to ignore the issue. Build the fence on the land where it is welcomed and the land the government already owns (most of it in AZ). Then on the gaps allow them to come as they want. It won’t be long before those landowners that are now going to have a freeway of traffic and crime coming onto their property are calling the government wanting to reconsider, hell they might just get most of that land for free in that case.
     
  10. alfermann66

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    On Fox News today a plausable explanation was given for the law suits. The President has given Homeland Security the authority to build a fence or not as they see fit, so many landowners don't want to give up their property until they're satisfied it will be used for fencing. there's always more than one side to a story....some of you guys seem to forget that.

    Buz
     
  11. noknock1

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    Grammie is an idiot and anyone who agrees with him is also retarded. Grammie is not a prophet, hell he is not even that smart. He always babbles the same gibberish and a few on this site key in on a sentence or two that they agree witha and all of the sudden he right!!!!!

    WELL he is not right most of the time!!!!

    In fact I would like to meet the person who types grammie's responses to these threads while he is lying curled up in the corner sucking his thumb, drooling, and doing other bodily functions.

    Grammie is all blow, albeit good entertainment over all. Who doesn't like logging on to see what foolishness this goofball spouted today?

    IT is like a train wreck, you've gotta watch . . . . . . . . . !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Word has it that his great Vietnam experience was when he landed in country for 2 weeks to help construct a new rec area south of Saigon. Maybe that is wrong but it can't be far off the mark!!!!!!

    But wait the great grammie will respond with some clever remark about one world government and how he knows all the behind scenes motives of the real ruling class and how all of us are sheep, stupid, dumb, blind, followers, blah, blah, blah.

    So let's here it grammie . . . .. . . . . .!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Tell me how I am already the servant of the new world order and I don't even know it . .. . . . . .

    Tell me about the martians that landed and infiltrated the governments of the world . . . .

    Please, please, please . . .
     
  12. grammie

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    Bigtom:

    Thank You for your kind words of support,,,,its not often one has the opportunity to exchange pleasantries with a "real fan"!!!!!

    Well Tom,,,,,to follow alomg with my threads,,,one must first be "right on top" of world events,,,,there are "many" on this site that do just that!!!! You just can't come on Trapshooters.Com and spout off with stories,,numbers,,,,,,or someone will always call you on it!!! But I see your're just getting home from last nights whiskey binge,,,,you shouldn't type and drink Tom,,things kind of get a little "blurred" and "fuzzy"......

    A good warm soup always makes you feel better Tom.....

    AKA Grammie...........
     
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    I just thought of a problem here? If we fence all the mexicans out, who's going to build the wall?
     
  14. cdconley

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    Just a thought for those of you that support McCain because you believe he's the only one that can win in the general election. I think that is just what the press and liberals would like you to believe, but based on the numbers he’s probably the most likely to be defeated by Oboma or Clinton. So what are the numbers, over 80% of Americans oppose Amnesty and McCain is no different than either of the Dem’s frontrunners. More then 60% of Americans oppose the war in Iraq. So in the general election the swing will be that McCain is the same on immigration as the democrat he’ll be running against but he supports the war and he will be easily defeated. On the other hand if any one of the other candidates runs it would be hard (not impossible) for a Democrat to get elected when the American voters know that Democrat equals amnesty and Republican equals no amnesty. What I’m saying is that the single issue where we have overwhelming support from the American people and differ from the Democrat stance is on immigration, yet that is the one issue ware McCain is more left then most Democrats. Because of that, I don’t think he has a chance in hell of winning in the general election.
     
  15. smartass

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    No, idiot sammie, that wasn't federal judges, it was the supreme court who did such a stupid thing and only two were appointed by Bush. Find another bogey man you commie bonehead.
     
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