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unions and tree huggers

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by jimx200, Dec 14, 2008.

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  1. jimx200

    jimx200 Member

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    The unions are such idiots in joining forces to help make sure their industry is moved completely out of the US with excessive regulations. I have dealt with many unions and most are rife with corruption and almost all really do not have the members best interest at heart. The domestic and foreign trips and entertainment costs they get away with under the guise of seminars or meetings is pretty sad actually as the membership is clueless. And they accuse corporate fat cats of gross mismanagement...right.
    All those union members who voted in the Kenyan are going to get a wake up call with layoff and plant closings if the appointed radicals get their way. The biggest threat will come from the EPA Nazis with their totally unreasonable policies of going after US industry while the biggest polluters (China, RUssia, India) continue to take market share with unrestricted and lower cost plants.
     
  2. Shady Creek

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    jimx200,I have dealt with many unions and most are rife with corruption and all really do not have the members best interest at heart.

    Is that the Illinois politics or have you dealt with the whole US Government? I think the Unions learned everything they know from them.

    Just a thought. GOOD LUCK
     
  3. perazzi03

    perazzi03 TS Member

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    lets get rid of all the unions, then we can get the average wage to 8 bucks an hour .wouldnt that be great.
     
  4. highflyer

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    I hate unions. I have read their literature and it is as far left as you can get. Unions will cause someone who is otherwise a conservative to side with the other far left crazies in the country. You don't sell your soul for more money. If you don't like the way a company is run or the wages you are paid get another job or start your own company. It really burns me that areas of the country with few union jobs are now being asked to bail out highly unionized areas of the country where the unions finally killed the goose that laid the golden egg. If you destroyed the company where you worked because of your union now get out and get another job. One without a union. And don't ask the rest of the country to bail your butt out.
     
  5. pendennis

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    Unions are socialist in nature. They talk about equality, but they want identical wages for every job, regardless the seniority. In non-union, and white collar environments, experience usually brings higher pay. Not until the last contract, did the UAW agree to a two-tier wage.

    Regardless the thoughts on the complexity of assembly or manufacturing labor, experience does make a difference. And with increasing reliance on technology, the days of just bolting something together are over.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
  6. jimx200

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    Likes to shoot Bill, you mentioned "safety regulations"?? I said nothing of safety regulations. Do you know what the EPA is? Google is your friend.
    FYI Bill, the air traffic controllers broke their contract and fired themselves. Bright move union. And Bill I'm equal opportunity when there are screw ups with employees..union or non union. By your thinking with regards to safety...are the non union Toyota, Nissan, BMW, and Honda plants in our southern states unsafe?? Wow, you better call AirAmerica (G. Soros socialist radio) and 60 Minutes to break the story to them.
    I will agree unions were good for the working man about 50 years ago, but are pretty useless now. Now don't you go buying those non union AA shells on sale at WalMart...lol.
     
  7. perazzi03

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    ive worked for a union company for 15 years now, with the economy down our company is not doing as good as it should, but we are working on giving a 10% paycut to keep us competitive NO BAIL OUTS HERE we take care of our own TEAMSTERS
     
  8. 391 shooter

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    Union Priciples:
    They completely screw up the free interprise system.
    They eliminate price and demand structuring.
    They maintain seniority as the guide post to functionality over productivity.
    They have the ability to get our TAX dollars for poor managment. Nice huh? Sweet deal

    Tree Huggers:
    PC for: Me Me Me
    Most are independantly wealthy.
    Most are bored.
    Most need a sanwitch.
    I think they actually may be an Alien Race. LOL
     
  9. shannon391

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    I'm with Rick, let's just go for $8 per hr. across the board and be done with it.

    There is no end to the attack on workmens wages. Somewhere in a third world country barefoot natives will allways beat our price. Globalization - compete with slaves.
     
  10. tallpaul

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    I worked for a union in the 90's. What I found was that the union protected the mediocre workers and gave no incentives to work any harder than the next guy. The few who instinctively went the extra mile eventually had to get with the program and stop making the slackers look bad. When it came to raises, these were part of the contract, and everyone got the same percentage, lousy worker or not. Merit raises were unheard of because of this environment. After 10 years of this foolishness I got out, with nothing to show for it except a lighter wallet from paying my weekly union dues. You'll never see me work for a union again. The UAW can argue all it wants about guarantees, the fact is the current model of wages, medical benefits and pensions is simply unsustainable in light of the evolution of a global economy. I don't think it's too far in the future when state and federal workers will be facing the same grim reality. You can't get blood from a stone, and there's only so much tax money that can be collected to pay for full medical benefits for life for all these state retirees.
     
  11. perazzi03

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    IF THERE WERE NO UNIONS ,WAGES WOULD BE VERY LOW ,IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN SENIORITY, THEN WHEN YOU BEEN WITH A COMPANY FOR LETS SAY 25 YEARS AND YOUR AGE IS 55, YOUR NOT A GO GETTER LIKE SOME 23 OLD PERSON,SO DOES THIS GIVE THE COMPANY THE RIGHT TO UP AND SAY SOLONG TO YOU, WE WILL GET THE 23 YEAR OLD TO DO YOUR JOB. WE ALL GET OLDER AND SLOW DOWN AND MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK TILL THERE 62 OR 65. YES WE NEED SOME PROTECTION
     
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    Why do some unions force companies to pay Christmas bonuses for ees retired after 10 years or more????

    Why do some unions take dues money and give to a political candidate money that the ee never would????

    Why does a union go on strike for 4 months and then settle for a $.05 per hour raise,,,,which would take an ee 20 years to make up the difference between strike pay and new rate and then put on a celebration party that cost over $50K????????

    Unions may have helped the wage and safety base years ago,,,,but they are NOT for the average worker today like they used to be,,,,more big boss mentality....
     
  13. legx100

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    Sounds to me like a few of ya'll might be Rats from Tennessee,Alabama or possibly work for Powell construction or another who employs subhumans from the southeast
     
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    When people like legx100 uses childish name calling like above it does no good at all to help the image of union members. It also proves just how stupid he is.
     
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    Highflyer said it better than I could have. He is so right on
     
  16. halfmile

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    Yes, you deserve each other.

    They don't have unions at Hardee's, go work there. Real smart, organizations wanting fair treatment for workers don't come out of management.

    I have seen management pull a lot more dirty crap on workers than Labor ever did in any way. I have also seen a lot of bad stuff stopped. By Union folks.

    Ask the guys that went down in the concrete collapse at the nuke plant if the union was at fault.

    HM
     
  17. jakearoo

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    On the "tree hugger" issue. I see most of the usual political posters here hate them. But isn't the origin of conservationism the hunters and fishermen?

    Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt the first environmental President? Doesn't Ducks Unlimited use all the money and political muscle it can muster to save wetlands for the ducks and other critters? Don't Pheasants Unlimited and Quail Unlimited and other similar organizations use preservation of the outdoors (conservation) as their main themes? Don't outdoorsmen appreciate and want to protect the places that we fish and hunt and hike? Don't you hate it when a beautiful trout stream is destroyed by clear cutting the forest around it or when a factory dumps crap into it?

    Would you arch conservative posters who are also hunters and fishermen please explain why you denigrate environmentalists? Would you have all government protection for the pristine environment gutted? Where are you going to hunt and fish then?

    Just wondering.
     
  18. halfmile

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    The enviro nazis are like the people who throw blood on someone wearing fur at a social event.

    The ones I speak of do not want ANY hunting at all. Fishing might be ok, but don't drive your vehicle to the spot.

    They are the ones who do not want ANY timber cut in the west. They applauded Jane Fonda when her and Ted brought the 300 wolves from Canada to ravage all the young stock around their ranch in New Mexico.

    Mostly they seem to want to take anything that's fun deep into the woods and bury it forever.

    There is a lot of difference between a conservationist and an environmentalist.

    One is imbued with common sense, the other is quite deranged.

    HM
     
  19. JBrooks

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    "There is a lot of difference between a conservationist and an environmentalist.

    One is imbued with common sense, the other is quite deranged."

    AMEN!!!
     
  20. jakearoo

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    So do we want to have laws that protect wetlands or not? The present administration has gutted those laws with executive orders.

    Are any of you aware of what has happened to the sage hen? Just about in their last days. Of course, their traditional range is now better for grazing due to spraying the sage brush so that grass more nutritious to sheep and cattle can replace it. And lots of roads have been cut through their range so that the oil companies can drill more easily. Are folks who want to protect the wetlands and the sage brush "environmental wackos" or "conservationists?"

    Again, just wondering.
     
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