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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by capvan, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. capvan

    capvan Active Member

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    This has probably been covered and I couldn't decide which category to put it in, but...

    Do we REALLY have anything to worry about with this UN Treaty thing? NRA seems to think so. I can't imagine anything like this getting ratified by Congress, but you never know.

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  2. porky

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    If it wasn't for a Republican Senate back when Clinton became president, we would have had a UN constitution instead of our own Constitution. Bill and Hillary , both, wanted the UN constitution ratified by the Senate. The Senate is the only body in Congress that needs to ratify the new constitution. Sort of reminds me of the House of Lords in England.
     
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    To keep it from happening you better vote correctly when at the voting booth.

    I vote and I hope everyone takes the time also to vote.
     
  5. daddiooo

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    If this UN treaty ever gets through, kiss our sovereignty goodby and say hello to a host of 3rd world crap laws. Sharia probably being the first. We'll also be under the watchful eye of some 3rd world Secretary General at the UN.

    Voting matters, and has consequences.
     
  6. oz

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    I understand that if this flies the UN will be teling our military what to do also. oz
     
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    I understand that if this flies, the UN will be telling our military what to do also. oz
     
  8. Hap MecTweaks

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    Probably first things U'd notice is the first and second ammendments vanish like a puff of smoke.

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  9. shooter99

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    UN arms treaty debate hits general media

    By Joseph P. Tartaro
    Executive Editor The New Gun Week

    The global gun control debate that has been simmering largely behind closed doors at the United Nations (UN), but has been featured in the gun press and on the Internet suddenly moved into the general media in June.

    A columnist in Forbes magazine issued a general warning about the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) and pulled no punches in his criticism of the international compact which is scheduled to be finalized in 2012, sometime before the US presidential and congressional elections.

    Forbes contributor Larry Bell warned the public and the business community in particular that if such a treaty is passed, it will be a serious threat to the Second Amendment. That’s what many in the gun community have been saying since the professional diplomats at the UN started crafting the treaty’s language in 2001. The treaty has been moving forward for several years at the UN headquarters and in committee meetings held in major cities around the world.

    Gun rights organizations including the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, National Shooting Sports Foundation and others have been warning about UN gun control initiatives for several years, but those warning have been largely ignored or packaged as a harmless placebo by the general press.

    Bell, a professor of Space architecture at the University of Houston, suggested in his Forbes column outlining the impact of many of its provisions that the threat is not only real; “it may be closer than anyone thinks, thanks to the Obama administration.”
    According to Bell, terms of a proposed treaty are likely to include strict licensing requirements, confiscation and destruction of “unauthorized” civilian firearms, a ban on the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic firearms and the creation of an international gun registry.

    “In short,” he wrote, the treat would override “our national sovereignty.” In the process, he said the federal government would assume control over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment, and override the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

    Bell noted that former UN Ambassador John Bolton had “cautioned gun owners to take this initiative seriously.” Bolton asserted that the UN gun grabbers are trying to portray this treaty as a simple document between various nations designed to cut weapons shipments to terrorists when it was much more dangerous.

    But, Bell noted, the position taken by Bolton in the days when Bolton was voting against a binding treaty was changed in 2009 when President Obama’s Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, voted to support a binding treaty and promised to push for its adoption by the US Senate if the ATT was adopted by “consensus” by other nations.

    The reaction to Bell’s article in Forbes immediately set off alarm bells with supporters of the ATT. Within days, UN Dispatch, an Internet website that claims to offer “thoughtful perspectives” and “factual information” about the UN’s work, published its rebuttal to Bell’s warning.

    UN Dispatch termed Bell’s article as “particularly inflammatory” and set out to respond to his five main points of threat.

    UN Dispatch denied that the ATT would regulate domestic sales of firearms, and then spent a lot of words explaining how difficult it would be to reach consensus, given that American gunowners are not the only opponents, and how hard it would be to get the US Senate to approve the treaty, even if it did pass.

    Perhaps now the general media will begin seriously explaining the ATT to the American public and turn the issue into a major topic of the 2012 presidential debates.
     
  10. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Do you think the citizens of Israel, and Switzerland are worried?
     
  11. Borchardt

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    Do you think the citizens of Texas are worried?
     
  12. daddiooo

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    Ran across this while trying to research the UN Small Arms Treaty.
    It's already started.....


    Subject: Marxism in america


    Not sure how to make this a link so paste this into your browser:


    http://www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america
     
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    Hope this helps.
     
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    I don't know about you, but I am a US citizen under the Constitution. If these 'jokers' don't believe in the Constitution then they have no authority under the Constitution because it is the Constitution of, for and by the People (the People being the citizens of the USA) that gives our elected officals the authority to govern not rule. No Constitution, no authority to govern. (Free men do not surrender their guns.) The Rights spelled out in the Constitution are God given rights and are not conferred by one man to another man. This will begin the 'great divide'. Mark Levin has covered this more than once. We are not 'ruled' or governed by the UN.
     
  15. porky

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    Constitution or no Constitution, it all depends on who is in charge and how they fix the government. Look at the trash that is in the Capitol now.
     
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    Obama has already ignored the Constitution, a valid law passed by Congress AND the Supreme Court.
     
  17. sernv99

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    I wouldn't be so afraid of the UN.....my local HOA has more power and gets a lot more things done than the UN. The UN is a paper tiger...additionally, the two permanent members of the Security Council, Russia and China, have no will and will resist all attempts to let the UN dictate to them how to run their internal business and be part of some "one world" Earth....
     
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