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UAW's $33M resort loses $5M per year

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by crusha, Dec 26, 2008.

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  1. crusha

    crusha TS Member

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    Oh my.
     
  2. Bocephas

    Bocephas Well-Known Member

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    EE,$23,000,000 loss in five years.So how long before we spend the $1.25 billion in assets and have to ask for a bailout,or raise Union Dues?

    Why don't you get real.How much $$ckin money have you or the tax payer got in this?

    I have not seen a thread from you #itching about the crooks in DC. bailing out Wall Street.Yes,this was your money.So how much money have you got in Blacklake?

    You need to watch the news more.My dues went there for a good reason,and I have been there.

    So, when it starts costing you money out of your pocket you have a right to bitch.As of now I feel you have no right to #itch,just run your mouth about something you seem to know very little about.

    The Big Three asked for a loan,not WELFARE at the tax payers expense like AIG etc.

    To add insult to injury,if the Big three go down which is pretty much for sure.
    You will see a DEPRESSION.I do not give a rats ass what you do or how rich you are,you will feel the pain.

    Now Flame on.

    Bocephas
     
  3. crusha

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    Wow, EE...all you did was post a news story, with no opinion-spin of your own, whatsoever...but it looks like you really struck a nerve.


    The truth hurts, eh?


    "Hey, Moe...you wanna go down to the Ted F. Kennedy Memorial Golf Course and shoot a round after dinner?"


    "Naw, Sluggo...me an' Curly gonna go over to the Jobs Bank Fishing Lodge...you wanna come?"


    Haw!
     
  4. michmoe

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    To Bocephus....I can tell you as a retired UAW worker I have many years of dues invested in this "resort" and have long felt jilted that my dues were being used to brain wash fellow brothers and sisters into believing that democrats were good and republicans were evil. I know this first hand as I have had friends who have attented many "seminars" there.If it had been a republican that had signed the NAFTA Treaty the UAW leadership would be screaming bloody murder.But because it was Clinton nothing is being said even though it has meant, as Ross Perot had predicted, brought about the "big sucking sound" of jobs leaving this country.
     
  5. Bocephas

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    Michmoe,do your homework Reagan started NAFTA.Yes,Slick Wille signed off,and did zip for the working man.Air traffic controlers,this was the start of the unions downfall.Yep,thank you Mr Reagan (RIP).

    Bo
     
  6. jimx200

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    Well Bocep, you must be suffering from amnesia over the air traffic controllers strike. They had a NO STRIKE clause in their contract and went out anyway (and against many other unions wishes). President Reagan gave them what they deserved...got their asses fired. I read many interviews with the members who were told by the union management that the President would not dare intervene and they had the airline industry over a barrel...NOT.
    I dealt with a number of unions in the 1980's and from what I observed, the management (over paid and very ignorant business people)did not really have the members best interest in mind...more like when is our next golf trip (all expenses paid including first class air seats) to Hilton Head, S.C. or Maui (I was invited more than once) and the nepotism was rampant. Foxes guarding the hen house indeed.
     
  7. Fox32

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    www.unionfacts.com says it all...........
     
  8. jimx200

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    Parker, thank for the website. Good to see someone is shining a bright light on the corrupt union tactics. Likes-to-shoot...do tell us about those non biased "other" sites that show the opposite side? Maybe you could refute the inaccuracies at unionfacts.com too for us?
     
  9. ks5shooter

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    The bailout was for the companies not the union who gives a shit!.....Don
     
  10. Don Steele

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    This has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen Big Labor do, and THAT'S saying a lot. Imagine the gall of Gettlefinger and his Democrat friends in Congress going after the auto execs perks, when he has this train-wreck going on for him and his cronies...!!! Wonder why this never came up on the big 3 networks...???
    As I've said before...BOTH sides in this auto industry catastrophe are culpable for maintaining a freakin' fantasy. So long as they were doing it with their own money...I didn't really care. HOWEVER...when their chickens finally come home to roost, and the only way they can keep their Golden Goose alive is with MY money... THAT's NOT RIGHT..NO WAY. There are plenty of cars being built by American workers, in American factories who DON't need a bail-out. The REAL issue(for the Democrats) in this whole fiasco is that THOSE cars are not being built by members of the U.A.W.
     
  11. Don Steele

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    This has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen Big Labor do, and THAT'S saying a lot. Imagine the gall of Gettlefinger and his Democrat friends in Congress going after the auto execs perks, when he has this train-wreck going on for him and his cronies...!!! Wonder why this never came up on the big 3 networks...???
    As I've said before...BOTH sides in this auto industry catastrophe are culpable for maintaining a freakin' fantasy. So long as they were doing it with their own money...I didn't really care. HOWEVER...when their chickens finally come home to roost, and the only way they can keep their Golden Goose alive is with MY money... THAT's NOT RIGHT..NO WAY. There are plenty of cars being built by American workers, in American factories who DON't need a bail-out. The REAL issue(for the Democrats) in this whole fiasco is that THOSE cars are not being built by members of the U.A.W.
     
  12. Don Steele

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    This has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen Big Labor do, and THAT'S saying a lot. Imagine the gall of Gettlefinger and his Democrat friends in Congress going after the auto execs perks, when he has this train-wreck going on for him and his cronies...!!! Wonder why this never came up on the big 3 networks...???
    As I've said before...BOTH sides in this auto industry catastrophe are culpable for maintaining a freakin' fantasy. So long as they were doing it with their own money...I didn't really care. HOWEVER...when their chickens finally come home to roost, and the only way they can keep their Golden Goose alive is with MY money... THAT's NOT RIGHT..NO WAY. There are plenty of cars being built by American workers, in American factories who DON't need a bail-out. The REAL issue(for the Democrats) in this whole fiasco is that THOSE cars are not being built by members of the U.A.W.
     
  13. Bocephas

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    Don,you need to go to a Release.

    Bo
     
  14. Don Steele

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    Hey Bo...
    Actually, I went to a release in the mid-80's..!!
    The site seemed to be having some "issues" earlier this morning, and kept kicking me back. Sadly..I had no way to realize my response had already been "put up". I apologize to all for the repetition.
     
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    Use the edit feature and delete the extras.

    Sometimes I flinch the button too.

    HM
     
  16. jimx200

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    Likes-to-shoot, read this article and you will better understand the union tactics of want to take away the secret ballot with regards to voting. So why does the unions support this new act? Simple, they can identify, coerce and or intimidate those employees who vote against union representation. The act is so wrong that even Al Sharpton says it's wrong. Once again a union bully tactic to FORCE someone into signing. Freedom of choice is NOT something unions believe in.

    http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/opinion/columnists/article/HINKLE26_20081225-175705/162123/
     
  17. crusha

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    This act takes away the worker's right to keep their voting choices secret.


    Not all workers want a union. In fact, a lot of them DON'T want a union. The UAW has not been successful in organizing southern non-union auto plants. Workers aren't choosing the union anymore.


    Southern auto workers can see what a "bang up job" the UAW has done protecting the jobs of the Detroit 3 workers (NOT!), and they don't want any part of that. They see that the union cannot protect them, now that BILL CLINTON'S NAFTA AGREEMENT has opened the door wide to the plants in Mexico.


    This act is about UNION THUGGERY at its best. Let's find out who these "NO VOTERS" are, so we can go after them!


    (And no, we're not really intersted in reading some
    "union propaganda site.")
     
  18. crusha

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    What do you have against Secret Ballots, union guy?


    After all, we do elections in this country by SECRET BALLOT.


    So why should the Union be "special?"


    If it's good enough for our Constitutional system of choosing our government...then it's good enough for Unions, too.
     
  19. crusha

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    Union guy,


    Hmm...looks like you have the copy-and-paste thing down pretty good, eh?


    The "management coercive measures" you cite are already ILLEGAL.


    So, we're back to my question, which you refused to answer:


    IF SECRET BALLOTS ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT ELECTIONS, WHY AREN'T THEY GOOD ENOUGH FOR UNIONS?


    And I'll even add another:


    Do Unions elect their officers by PUBLIC BALLOT?


    Why do unions want one set of rules for electing their officers - and a different one for organizing purposes?


    The opinions I express here are my own, Union Guy. I can still think for myself, and unlike you, I don't have a sense of entitlement, am not waiting for Obama to deliver me from Evil, and most of all - have no need to copy and paste my ideas from a propaganda site.

    Cheers,

    aka buzzie
     
  20. jimx200

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    Holy cow likes to shoot, you have swallowed the union kool aid by the gallon! You did quite a dance of not answering the question about the proposed act (and your boy Obama's likely signing) and it's taking away the RIGHT OF VOTING PRIVACY. Are you a shop steward or union rep? I suspect the latter as you wholeheartedly believe in the Socialist union way.
    My distaste for unions go way back to the late 1960's and early 1970's. My dad had a large International Harvester dealership in the midwest and sure enough, here comes the union thugs out from Chicago with their threats of damage, bodily harm (as dad was a WW2 Marine vet, he kept the 1911 handy and was not shy about displaying it on his belt during this time) and threats to the employees who did NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO with the union. They even pulled the old shakedown of telling him to donate to their union (cash only please) and they would move on. Oh yeah, all under the guise of helping the workers. I remember all too well the stress it caused his business. Funny thing is that he knew what to expect and how to deal with them since after college and the war, he drove a milk truck in S. California and was a Teamster for 3 years. He got to see first hand the corruption and intimidation with some mafia goons too. He was a self made man and not intimidated by your union way of doing business. Fast forward to the 1980's when I worked with many unions on setting up PPO health plans. Talk about greed and dishonesty...the unions have only their managements best interest at heart. So likes to shoot, since you kneel at the altar of socialism, maybe you should try someplace like Venezuela instead of here in the US where we have a democracy (with a secret ballot).
     
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