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U.S. Power Grid Change-Clocks Don't Work

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Doctor_Chicago, Jun 27, 2011.

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  1. Doctor_Chicago

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    Changes to U.S. Power Grid - Clocks won't be accurate could be off by as much as 20 minutes a year STARTING MID JULY 2011.

    Hasn't been any discussions in the news media - I don't remember any hearings about it. How can something this important just get shove down our throat again.

    We need to stop this kind of nonsense.


    WASHINGTON — A yearlong experiment with the nation’s electric grid could mess up traffic lights, security systems and some computers — and make plug-in clocks and appliances like programmable coffeemakers run up to 20 minutes fast.

    “A lot of people are going to have things break and they’re not going to know why,” said Demetrios Matsakis, head of the time service department at the U.S. Naval Observatory, one of two official timekeeping agencies in the federal government.

    Since 1930, electric clocks have kept time based on the rate of the electrical current that powers them. If the current slips off its usual rate, clocks run a little fast or slow. Power companies now take steps to correct it and keep the frequency of the current — and the time — as precise as possible.

    The group that oversees the U.S. power grid is proposing an experiment that would allow more frequency variation than it does now without corrections, according to a company presentation obtained by The Associated Press.

    Officials say they want to try this to make the power supply more reliable, save money and reduce what may be needless efforts. The test is tentatively set to start in mid-July, but that could change.

    Tweaking the power grid’s frequency is expensive and takes a lot of effort, said Joe McClelland, head of electric reliability for the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

    “Is anyone using the grid to keep track of time?” McClelland said. “Let’s see if anyone complains if we eliminate it.”

    No one is quite sure what will be affected. This won’t change the clocks in cellphones, GPS or even on computers, and it won’t have anything to do with official U.S. time or Internet time.

    But wall clocks and those on ovens and coffeemakers — anything that flashes “12:00” when it loses power — may be just a bit off every second, and that error can grow with time.

    It’s not easy figuring what will run fast and what won’t. For example, VCRs or DVRs that get their time from cable systems or the Internet probably won’t be affected, but those with clocks tied to the electric current will be off a bit, Matsakis said.

    This will be an interesting experiment to see how dependent our timekeeping is on the power grid, Matsakis said.

    The North American Electric Reliability Corp. runs the nation’s interlocking web of transmission lines and power plants. A June 14 company presentation spelled out the potential effects of the change: East Coast clocks may run as much as 20 minutes fast over a year, but West Coast clocks are only likely to be off by 8 minutes. In Texas, it’s only an expected speedup of 2 minutes.

    Some parts of the grid, like in the East, tend to run faster than others. Errors add up. If the grid averages just over 60 cycles a second, clocks that rely on the grid will gain 14 seconds per day, according to the company’s presentation.

    Spokeswoman Kimberly Mielcarek said the company is still discussing the test and gauging reactions to its proposal, and may delay the experiment a bit.

    Mielcarek said in an email that the change is about making the grid more reliable and that correcting the frequency for time deviations can cause other unnecessary problems for the grid. She wrote that any problems from the test are only possibilities.

    In the future, more use of renewable energy from the sun and wind will mean more variations in frequency on the grid, McClelland said. Solar and wind power can drop off the grid with momentary changes in weather. Correcting those deviations is expensive and requires instant backup power to be always at the ready, he said.

    The test makes sense and should not cause too much of a hassle for people, said Jay Apt, a business professor and director of the Electricity Industry Center at Carnegie Mellon University.

    But Tom O’Brian, who heads the time and frequency division at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, expects widespread effects.

    He said there are alternatives if people have problems from the test: The federal government provides the official time by telephone and on the Internet.

    Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
     
  2. Doctor_Chicago

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    OK - 62 Reads and no comment - Don't care - It makes a difference in our everyday lives. When your Clock is off by up to 20 minutes a year.

    I hope some of you plan on contacting FERC - about how unwise this decision is.
     
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    If we get hit with a Coronal Mass Ejection or a class X Solar Flare, we will have a lot more than that to worry about. If the hit is direct enough it will flip the earths poles and that will be real trouble. All that aside--why the heck do they have to mess with things? Why can't they just let things as is?

    Vern
     
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    Way back when I went on a field trip to Cleveland Illuminating they showed us how they corrected the time every night at misnight. It was to correct the number of revolutions/per day.

    Bill
     
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    hey Doctor Chicago: buy a watch that runs on batteries, with an alarm that goes Beep Beep Beep Beep....you won't have to worry at night about being late for your next appointment LOL Geez, more tin-foil hattery nonsense
     
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    AAHHHH yes, another quality intrusion into our lives by the "All knowing, all powerful government" Praise be to government!

    The scariest phrase on the planet:


    "Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"
     
  7. stokinpls

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    Will this bother my Timex?
     
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    Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I knew there was a reason I've always stuck with using sundials!!!!!!

    Even if the portable ones are hard to strap to your wrist.

    Pete

    PS: This is an incredibly stupid effort to get people upset -- has everyone out there forgotten that we change our clocks by an hour twice a year without encountering Armageddon?

    Pete
     
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    So for 81 years there seems to have been no problem keeping the power grid in time, now all of a sudden "Officials say they want to try this to make the power supply more reliable, save money and reduce what may be needless efforts."

    Anyone want to take a bet that "they" may save money, but we the consumer will pay more? How will they save money? The guy who at midnight each day adjusted the time will be let go?
     
  10. Doctor_Chicago

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    More things that we need to do - to lower our Standards and expectations of our lifestyle and leadership in the world.
     
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