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  1. Dahaub

    Dahaub Active Member

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    Just read where the last British veteran of WWI has died. That leaves one Australian and one American that is known about. Those guys are over 100 years old and none of them are in the best of health. Sorry to see them go. There is quite a write up about the guy from England. That war was a long time ago now. Dan
     
  2. 3200SK Robinson

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    What a shame that the "Heartless & Gutless" media doesn't cover something like this instead of "Jacko" and "Obamo" duh, duh, and duh! Anyway, I personally have known a WWI vet, knew him for yrs. (13) we would sit on his front porch and talk about everything while watching cars go by in the sixties and early seventies (he passed on in '72 from a stroke). We would talk about the wars and I learned alot about fighting for your freedom, etc. from him. He told me some interesting stories about the war (he landed in Breast France in 1917. Once He showed me a picture of him and another soldier standing with their horses in their field uniforms and wearing the old "Smokey" style hats and each were holding a Papst Blue Ribbon beer! Boy, what I would give for that old picture! and I'm proud to have known Edward Hammet Williams (1894-1972) from Waxahachie, Texas I salute him and all other fighting men on Veteran's Day God Bless them ALL!

    GOOD DAY All,
    Richard Robinson
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  3. Auctioneer

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    When I started to fly hot air balloon in 1982 we had a person who was from HI and he had a real rough voice. It turned out that he was in WWI and flew or handled airships. He said that he got some mustard gas and that affected is voice. He stopped coming after 3 years. I think he was to old to travel or had died. A real nice man and we all enjoyed talking to him.

    My grandfather who was my mothers father was in WWI. He died in 1971. I was told this and that about what he did. I was told he was in the trenches, he had helped the french resistance. When I started to know him his mind was going so I didn't really get to know him.

    They had the British Vet in our home town paper. I was wondering if he was the last vet of WWI or not.
     
  4. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    And this is what they fought for! To give the opportunity to a New York Times lib-socialist mudsucker to sling this tripe.

    Read as much as you can stand without vomiting and then click on the link and look at this hypocrite's home. Suppose any of the WWII vets lived like this?

    "Op-Ed Columnist - New York Times.
    Just Do It: By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
    Published: June 30, 2009

    There is much in the House cap-and-trade energy bill that just passed that I absolutely hate. It is too weak in key areas and way too complicated in others. A simple, straightforward carbon tax would have made much more sense than this Rube Goldberg contraption. It is pathetic that we couldn’t do better. It is appalling that so much had to be given away to polluters. It stinks. It’s a mess. I detest it.

    Now let’s get it passed in the Senate and make it law.

    Why? Because, for all its flaws, this bill is the first comprehensive attempt by America to mitigate climate change by putting a price on carbon emissions. Rejecting this bill would have been read in the world as America voting against the reality and urgency of climate change and would have undermined clean energy initiatives everywhere.

    More important, my gut tells me that if the U.S. government puts a price on carbon, even a weak one, it will usher in a new mind-set among consumers, investors, farmers, innovators and entrepreneurs that in time will make a big difference — much like the first warnings that cigarettes could cause cancer. The morning after that warning no one ever looked at smoking the same again.

    Ditto if this bill passes. Henceforth, every investment decision made in America — about how homes are built, products manufactured or electricity generated — will look for the least-cost low-carbon option. And weaving carbon emissions into every business decision will drive innovation and deployment of clean technologies to a whole new level and make energy efficiency much more affordable. That ain’t beanbag.

    Now that the bill is heading for the Senate, though, we must, ideally, try to improve it, but, at a minimum, guard against diluting it any further. To do that we need the help of the three parties most responsible for how weak the bill already is: the Republican Party, President Barack Obama and We the People.

    This bill is not weak because its framers, Representatives Henry Waxman and Ed Markey, wanted it this way. “They had to make the compromises they did,” said Dan Becker, director of the Safe Climate Campaign, “because almost every House Republican voted against the bill and did nothing to try to improve it. So to get it passed, they needed every coal-state Democrat, and that meant they had to water it down to bring them on board.”

    What are Republicans thinking? It is not as if they put forward a different strategy, like a carbon tax. Does the G.O.P. want to be the party of sex scandals and polluters or does it want to be a partner in helping America dominate the next great global industry: E.T. — energy technology? How could Republicans become so anti-environment, just when the country is going green?

    Historically speaking, “Republicans can claim as much credit for America’s environmental leadership as Democrats,” noted Glenn Prickett, senior vice president at Conservation International. “The two greatest environmental presidents in American history were Teddy Roosevelt, who created our national park system, and Richard Nixon, whose administration gave us the Clean Air Act and the Environmental Protection Agency.” George Bush Sr. signed the 1993 Rio Treaty, to preserve biodiversity.

    Yes, this bill’s goal of reducing U.S. carbon emissions to 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020 is nowhere near what science tells us we need to mitigate climate change. But it also contains significant provisions to prevent new buildings from becoming energy hogs, to make our appliances the most energy efficient in the world and to help preserve forests in places like the Amazon.

    We need Republicans who believe in fiscal conservatism and conservation joining this legislation in the Senate. We want a bill that transforms the whole country not one that just threads a political needle. I hope they start listening to green Republicans like Dick Lugar, George Shultz and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    I also hope we will hear more from President Obama. Something feels very calculating in how he has approached this bill, as if he doesn’t quite want to get his hands dirty, as if he is ready to twist arms in private, but not so much that if the bill goes down he will get tarnished. That is no way to fight this war. He is going to have to mobilize the whole country to pressure the Senate — by educating Americans, with speech after speech, about the opportunities and necessities of a serious climate/energy bill. If he is not ready to risk failure by going all out, failure will be the most likely result.

    And then there is We the People. Attention all young Americans: your climate future is being decided right now in the cloakrooms of the Capitol, where the coal lobby holds huge sway. You want to make a difference? Then get out of Facebook and into somebody’s face. Get a million people on the Washington Mall calling for a price on carbon. That will get the Senate’s attention. Play hardball or don’t play at all."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/opinion/01friedman.html?_r=2
     
  5. halfmile

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    "A price on Carbon." MOney for General Electric and Al Gore.

    Sorry, I pass. And I hope I run into you some day, Mr. Friedman, so I can put my feelings into a more physical form.

    HM
     
  6. Paladin

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    It would be nice to see that liberal puke rag newspaper go into bankruptcy and cease to exist.
     
  7. Toddy

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    Not to start an arguement but I believe that the lone American surviver that you talk about is actually Canadian but retired and resides in Spokane Washington and I believe he just celebrated his 109th birthday...yesterday

    Name is Jack Babcock.

    I know my facts are straight because my son-in-law, through Army News was suppose to interveiw him on Rememberance Day but Ottawa decided that someone from headquarters would do it so all my son-in-law got was an interveiw by phone.

    Reg. Todd, BC
     
  8. shot410ga

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    Toddy: I think you're incorrect. I can't recall the man's name but he lives in West Virgina, and he is very much an American. On a second note, I once shot trap with a man "Fred Plock" in San Diego. He was a motorcycle dispatch rider in WWI. Was still shooting trap at 95 years old.
     
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    It was the War to End All Wars.

    It was so horrendous that people avoided war for 24 years.

    After WW 2 they had to call them police actions, and got the money machine going after only 6 years.

    Then we had "Advisors". They were just as dead, lying on the battle field as the WW 1 doughboys.

    Now it's "operations". Desert Storm, Shock and Awe, buzzword city.

    What will the New Improved version be?

    HM
     
  11. Toddy

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    shoot410ga,

    I know my facts are correct and when I get the contact info from my son-in-law I will post on here. My son-in-law is in the Army working as a reporter for Canadian Army News.

    I don't know how many are left in the world but I think that there was 3 and the British Gentleman died last week and if 1 of the remaining is Australian then the other is......
    Last surviving Canadian of WW1 now living in Spokane Washington,
    Jack Babcock is his name.

    Reg. Todd
     
  12. J.Woolsey

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    Toddy, EE and Shot410 are spot on, I saw the interview done this year with Mr. Buckles. He is an amazing fellow very alert, completely competent and has astounding recall. He explained that he enlisted at 17 and requested the ambulance corps, as he was told that would get over there into the action the quickest. He looked pretty good, I wouldn't have figured him for his age, had I not been informed. J.Woolsey
     
  13. 635 G

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    It has been said, the reason the allies were so successful in WWII, was that most of the leaders had experienced the horrors of WWI & realized the only way to a real peace is VICTORY,coupled with an UNCONDITIONAL surrender. It is amazing that our current President thinks the word Victory is not an appropriate term. Heaven help us if we get into a big conflict with this clown as commander in chief.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  14. Ruck

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    I grew up shooting with a WW1 vet, Henry Kirchenbauer, in my hometown of Gainesville, Texas. Henry was also our resident gunsmith. He had enlisted at the age of 14 ! Lied about his age to go fight for his country!! He was badly wounded in the Argonne Forest and walked with a pronounced limp for the rest of his life. He gradually lost the vision in his right eye, and built the first offset rib I ever saw so he could continue to shoot from his right shoulder and use his left eye. My visits to his gunsmith shop were pure trips to heaven! Guess he must have been quite an influence on me, considering my current profession.

    Ken Rucker
     
  15. Toddy

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    J Woolsey,

    I was to understand that this thread was on "surviving", "alive" and I don't dispute your entry and they were all courageous people that gave the rest of the world freedom from tyrany(spl).

    Reg. Todd
     
  16. J.Woolsey

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    Toddy, check this website. J.Woolsey
     
  17. Toddy

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    J. Woolsey,

    Thanks for that link and I hope all the best for Mr. Buckles but all I am saying is there must be more than 2 left if Mr Buckles is still alive as the Canadian surviver is still alive and living in Spokane Washington.

    At the start of this thread I thought that Dahaub (the creator of thread) was under the impression that there were only 2 and if that was the case then 1 was Canadian but obviously I was confused because I thought Jack Babcock was in the Canadian Army but I find the he was in the US Army and not the Canadian Army but is still classified as being our last Canadian surviver.

    Thanks again for that website.

    Reg. Todd
     
  18. Toddy

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    My appologies to all for the mix-up but I think the following will explain why some of us are a little confused especially me.

    Nationality Name Date of Birth Age Residence Force served Notes


    United Kingdom Choules, Claude Stanley 01901-03-03 3 March 1901 108 Australia Royal Navy Last seaman and last veteran who served for British Empire. Joined in 1916. Last witness to the German Naval surrender. Moved to Australia in 1926 and served with Royal Australian Navy in WWII. Lives in Perth, Western Australia.[3][4]

    Canada Babcock, John Henry Foster (Jack) 01900-07-23 23 July 1900 109 United States First 146th, CEF, then Boys Battalion Last Canadian veteran. Eligible for state funeral. Enlisted in 1916. Completed training in UK but did not see action due to age. Moved to US in 1924. Lives in Spokane, Washington.[5][6]


    United States Buckles, Frank Woodruff 01901-02-01 1 February 1901 108 United States United States Army 1st Fort Riley Casual Detachment Last American doughboy. Eligible for burial at Arlington. Joined in 1917. Ambulance driver near Western Front. Held prisoner in WWII. Lives in Charles Town, West Virginia.[7][8]

    Thanks for the conversations.

    Reg. Todd
     
  19. Toddy

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    Please read below and you will see why I am so confused, this was over a year ago and Mr Babcock is now 109 years old.

    Canada's last WW I vet gets his citizenship back
    Last Updated: Friday, May 9, 2008 | 1:18 PM ET Comments20Recommend75CBC News
    John Babcock, seen with his great-granddaughter and wife, will be sworn in as a Canadian citizen at a ceremony in Spokane, Wash. (Shane Young/Associated Press)Canada's last surviving veteran of the First World War is getting his Canadian citizenship back after writing a two-line letter to the prime minister.

    John Babcock, who lost his Canadian citizenship when he moved to the United States almost 90 years ago, wrote to Prime Minister Stephen Harper on a whim a month ago, asking to be Canadian again.

    "Dear PM," the note said, according to Canwest News. "Could I have my citizenship restored? I would appreciate your help. Thank you, John Babcock."

    Babcock, who is 107 years old, wrote the note after Canadian Veteran Affairs Minister Greg Thompson visited him at his home in Spokane, Wash., on April 19, and presented him with an award recognizing the sacrifices and achievements of veterans.

    During the visit, Babcock told Thompson about his desire to be Canadian, and Thompson urged him to contact Harper.

    Babcock did so immediately, writing on the nearest sheet of paper, which happened to be decorated with pictures of American flags and teddy bears, according to Canwest.

    Thompson presented the note to Harper during a recent cabinet meeting, and Gov. Gen. Michaëlle Jean agreed Thursday to grant Babcock his citizenship. Canadian officials will fly down to Babcock's home soon for an official swearing in ceremony.

    "We are proud to welcome Mr. Babcock back into the Canadian family and to honour the service he gave our country," Harper said in a news release.

    "He symbolizes a generation of Canadians who, in many ways, were the authors of modern Canadian nationhood," he added.

    Please read below and you will see why I am so confused.

    "When Canada went to war in 1914, we were widely perceived as a mere colony of Britain. By the end of the war, the world recognized Canada as a proud and independent country. Mr. Babcock and his fellow servicemen helped make possible Canada's coming of age and I thank them from the bottom of my heart."

    Babcock, who was born on July 23, 1900, and raised on a farm near Kingston, Ont., lied about his age and enlisted in the army at 15. In 1917, he and the 146th Battalion of the Canadian Expeditionary Force landed in England, but the war ended before Babcock had a chance to get to the front lines.

    He moved to the United States in the 1920s and became a U.S. citizen in 1946. At the time, dual citizenship was not allowed, so Babcock had to give up his Canadian ties.
     
  20. shot410ga

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    Toddy, Duel citizenship is still not allowed if one becomes an American. At least as far as America is concerned.
     
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