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TSA and an Americase

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by erock_germany, Aug 29, 2012.

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  1. erock_germany

    erock_germany Member

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    I am coming to the US (I am an American living in Germany) and will bring my gun over. Who knows if the TSA will force open an Americase with a combo lock and not these wierd padlocks with the TSA entry key?
     
  2. Baber

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    Suggest that you go to the TSA website and review there procedures regarding guns. I have flow all over the US with a Rhino case and a good padlock without problems. The TSA lock is not recommended by TSA for Gun Cases. If you are really concerned place a tag on your gun case with your cell number on it.

    Make sure you have all your paperwork in order.

    Tom
     
  3. 12ShotTwo

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    I travel all the time with my americase, I don't know about international travel but for domestic you lock it and keep the key. TSA asks you to stick around until they scan and test. Joe
     
  4. erock_germany

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    Thanks. Paperwork is in order. I have my cell number on it but it is a German one so they will not call it I am sure.

    Can not find the statement on the TSA site that the lock is not recommended for guns but I will look again.

    Guns are collected here by the Police/Customs and then tagged and then I will then see it in Atlanta again...
     
  5. Baber

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    I would suggest you review the "Firearms Laws" Section on http://www.losttarget.com. This will give you an insight in the many rules and regulations regarding traveling with a Firearm.

    At one time TSA made the statement that Gun Cases must be locked and the key must stay in possession of the owner. I can't find that reference anywhere. I would not trust a TSA lock on my gun case. Most time I am at TSA with the gun case and can supply the key if required.

    Tom
     
  6. Baron23

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    Like others, I have not flown internationally but only within the USA. Within the USA, the only consideration is on the departure end of the flight. At some airports you take your gun to a TSA desk/table to be inspected, then locked and taken as baggage. At others (BWI for expample), they have you lock the case at the airline counter and if TSA needs it to be opened again they make an announcement calling you back to open it(which has never happened in my experience).

    I have no idea how they do it in Germany. Those who suggest you consult TSA regulations have, perhaps, forgotten that you will be originating your flight in Germany...and its German rules and regulations you need to reseach, not TSA's.

    I would suggest consulting with the airline you are flying with for reference to local rules and regulations.

    However, for your return trip, TSA would be the controlling authority.

    Cheers
     
  7. skeet_man

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    You are not allowed to use TSA locks on gun cases.
     
  8. erock_germany

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    The German rules are well defined (as most things are in Germany) Actually similar to TSA. I show my firearms permit and they check the weapons are those on the permit, case is locked and off I go.

    If TSA says no TSA locks, I am sure they will then check on arrival as well as US Customs.

    My worry was if they can nit open, they will bust the locks like on regular luggage but I think this worry is gone and I will be just fine.
     
  9. Baber

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    I have been using the same lock for 20 years and have never had it busted. I have seen Negrini case locks busted as well as inexpensive master locks. I would not fly with my gun is a Negrini case but I know people who do. I have one friend who come over here 2-3 times a year from the UK with parazzi in a negrini. Had one lock busted.

    Tom
     
  10. erock_germany

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    Yes, locks break on some. Question is if TSA busts them to look inside...

    My Americase has travelled to Italy, France, UK, Poland and Namibia and is in one piece. Some dents but one piece.
     
  11. Dr.Longshot

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    Thye airline employees are hell on a Americase, I think they try to damage them on purpose.

    What gets me is this, you open it at their request, they inspect it, and put paperwork inside of the case, now they should wrap the case at the combination lock with TSA Stamped tape to prove it was inspected, and for your mind at ease it will still be intact when you get to your destination and go the room where they keep firearms for pick up and your inspection.

    A friend just bought a new K-80 in a new Americase and someone tore the hell out of the case it was worthless as a safe gun case, broke the locks.


    Gary Bryant
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  12. Dr.Longshot

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    I once flew to Las Vegas on Southwest Airlines, from Columbus, Ohio CMH to Southwest Airlines Hub in Arizona changed flights on to Las Vegas, Gun did not make it, Southwest asked me where I was staying Hotel and Room Number, when I woke up in the morning showered got dressed and went to eat breakfast, My gun and case was at rooms front door, no knock or amything, anyone could have taken it and I would not have known, It was a Ljutic PRO-3.



    Gary Bryant
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  13. Charlie Becknell

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    Many years ago at Orlando they left my gun in the case in the rain. Too bad our treasured shooting companions are mistreated frequently at the airport. I fly with an old Kissemmee Case, nearly indestructible, looks like heck, but tough as nails. Cost $150.00 new. Has made several trips across the USA, Egypt, Finland, and Argentina. Unfortunately, it went with others and did not take me to the exotic locations.

    Charlie

    I don't have these, but Rhino cases and Colorado cases appear to be extremely rugged.
     
  14. HSLDS

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    First, check the firearms policy for the airline - not all will carry guns, and some charge extra to do so. You may need to notify them well before hand (e.g, British Air wants 72 hours notice and charges).

    You don't say if you will land in the USA and connect to another flight - this is important.

    The flight out of Germany and into the US will be under the auspices of the German air security rules and the airline's rules. Once in the USA it will not be TSA but customs who will regard the firearm when you land. Be prepared to show documents that you have permission to posses the firearm at both ends of your journey.

    Typically the Germans will want it in a locked case (not TSA locks), although I have flown with English trunk cases in a duffle bag and not been questioned.

    Did you buy the rifle in the USA or overseas?? If from the USA you should have a copy of the receipt that shows this (or if you were smart a customs form filled out when you left the USA with it). If bought overseas you need a form 6 from the BATF. Originally they would fill this out at the airport - now they want you to apply MONTHS ahead to get permission to import the firearm. It can be a real ball-buster.

    If you are connecting to another flight in the USA you will be under TSA rules for the onward flight. You will need to 're-check' your bag, declaring that it contains a firearm. Each airline has different rules for this (check their web site too), but typically it is that you show that the firearm is unloaded, sign a document to this extent which will be placed inside the case with the gun. The case will be locked (again not TSA locks) - you will need to hang around the check in area until TSA has scanned the bag. If they want to see inside they will escort you to an area where they can have you open it to do the inspection. Once done it will be locked and keys returned to you.

    Typically the airline will have special handling on the bag so you will have to hang in the baggage claim area at your final destination and show ID to claim the bag.

    You do not say if you will be travelling with ammo (typically you are allowed 5 Kg) - if so, check with the airline for their rules. Normally it requires ammo to be in original boxes OR plastic boxes designed for ammo. NOT in the gun (duhhh) and not in mags, but also not in any other kind of container.

    The form 6 can be downloaded from the site at the top of this post - there are several versions - you need to pick the one which applies to you.

    If you have more questions feel free to PM me.

    David
     
  15. rivercityjeff

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    Waidmannsheil!

    Just this year I returned to the USA with my guns after being stationed in Wiesbaden for 5 years. The gun cases were locked in Frankfurt, with real locks not TSA locks. We cleared customs and declared guns in Dallas. No inspection of the firearms by the TSA. Just a big orange tag and off they went to our final stop.

    I have moved guns to and from Germany several times. Why Steyrs and Sigsauers are cheaper in Texas, I'll never understand?

    However, I wish I was hunting Gams in Bayern with my friends this week. :(
     
  16. Joe Potosky

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    RE: You are not allowed to use TSA locks on gun cases

    Your not correct. When the TSA changed the lock and key rule I contacted them and received a reply saying you can use a TSA lock.

    Use what lock you feel comfortable with, but a TSA lock is approved too be used with firearms.
     
  17. LI

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    Joe, you are right about using a TSA lock, it is approved. The nice thing about them is that they won't break the locks to inspect on connecting flights if they choose to take another look. When they do a "secondary" inspection, they will place another card in the case stating that they did a random check. They checked again both my K-80 and MX2000/10 (Starlight & Negrini case) going to the Grand this year; and only the Perazzi on the way home. Don't know how they opened the combo lock on the Perazzi but they did with no damage. Larry
     
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