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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by canada, Dec 19, 2007.

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  1. canada

    canada Member

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    if you're talking about post one, hold a little bit inside the front corner. it will make you move to the left on angles, as opposed to cutting them off. if you are cutting them off, you will shoot behind them. (Not sure if thats what you're doing of course)
     
  2. chiefjon

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    I would suggest trying two things differently. First, make yourself lead the bird. Get way out in front of it. You really can be out front quite a piece and still break the bird. Second, don't be afraid to hold to the left of the house several inches. Even if the bird goes right it is an easier swing for you.

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  3. Capt. Morgan

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    With the bird traveling about 35 mph and your shot string traveling just sub-sonic (750 mph) at the same point, there is no reason that you should miss a bird you point at IF YOU KEEP THE GUN BARREL MOVING as you pull the trigger. In the time it will take the shot string to reach the target, the target will have moved only a couple of inches. If you're missing, I would guess that you are either arm shooting the targets or stopping the gun.

    Morgan
     
  4. dzneff

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    Try swinging a little faster. This will give you more lead as you pass the target
     
  5. Beancounter

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    None of us have seen you shoot so there are lots and lots of possibilities. I agree with Unloader regarding a possible gun hold issue. I will drill down a bit further and point out that gun fit can play into this as well. If you nudge your comb to the left a bit, you might like the results.

    I think that everyone is giving good advice but we are all suggesting bits and pieces of the picture. Doing well at eye hand coordination games requires solid fundamentals. That is everything - eye and gun hold, gun fit, foot position, and POI of your gun when you are shooting at a moving target. (Shooting into a box is nice but I will go out on a limb here and suggest that most people shoot at moving targets differently than they do at at some stationary box.)
     
  6. canada

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    if you're talking about post one, hold a little bit inside the front corner. it will make you move to the left on angles, as opposed to cutting them off. if you are cutting them off, you will shoot behind them. (Not sure if thats what you're doing of course)
     
  7. chiefjon

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    I would suggest trying two things differently. First, make yourself lead the bird. Get way out in front of it. You really can be out front quite a piece and still break the bird. Second, don't be afraid to hold to the left of the house several inches. Even if the bird goes right it is an easier swing for you.

    JON
     
  8. Capt. Morgan

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    With the bird traveling about 35 mph and your shot string traveling just sub-sonic (750 mph) at the same point, there is no reason that you should miss a bird you point at IF YOU KEEP THE GUN BARREL MOVING as you pull the trigger. In the time it will take the shot string to reach the target, the target will have moved only a couple of inches. If you're missing, I would guess that you are either arm shooting the targets or stopping the gun.

    Morgan
     
  9. dzneff

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    Try swinging a little faster. This will give you more lead as you pass the target
     
  10. Beancounter

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    None of us have seen you shoot so there are lots and lots of possibilities. I agree with Unloader regarding a possible gun hold issue. I will drill down a bit further and point out that gun fit can play into this as well. If you nudge your comb to the left a bit, you might like the results.

    I think that everyone is giving good advice but we are all suggesting bits and pieces of the picture. Doing well at eye hand coordination games requires solid fundamentals. That is everything - eye and gun hold, gun fit, foot position, and POI of your gun when you are shooting at a moving target. (Shooting into a box is nice but I will go out on a limb here and suggest that most people shoot at moving targets differently than they do at at some stationary box.)
     
  11. Capt. Morgan

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    HGWT makes an important point and one I usually overlook in discussions of this nature: gun fit.

    I have a tendency to assume that the person seeking input for a problem is shooting a gun that fits them properly and that does not require them to make all manner of adjustment or contortions to their head/neck/body in order to be able to get a good sight picture. I

    Until/unless the gun can be mounted and swung consistently and comfortably every time and unless the gun puts the shot exactly where the shooter is looking, there is absolutely no point in discussing what might be wrong with the shooter's technique.

    Morgan
     
  12. KEYBEAR

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    Move your feet . Your running out of swung before you get past the target .
     
  13. KEYBEAR

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    If your feet are set up for a left from one the next thing to look at is maybe your stock is to long ?
     
  14. phirel

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    Try this. Go to post one and assume your normal stance. Then, without moving the heel of your left foot, move your left toe about 1/4 to 1/2 inch to the left. You can try this standing at home without a gun. Swing your body (sounds like some sort of dance) with your normal stance and then do the same thine with the left toe rotated slightly to the right.

    Next, try moving your feet a little closer together than you normal stance and swing.

    You can do these swinging tests as home without mounting a gun. Do not be confused by some who might advise you to swing both ways.

    Pat Ireland
     
  15. whiz white

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    Ditto what ALF-99 is telling you.

    A line across the tips of your toes should always be parallel to post 5's walkway. A small change is OK depending upon the direction of the wind.

    Keep swinging the gun AFTER you pull the trigger.

    This is addressed in the Video and book "Trapshooting with the Remington Pros" by D. Lee Braun circa 1950's.

    WW
     
  16. whos your daddy

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    sounds like you could use a wall chart and practice the lefts. it will help you smooth things out. I have had a chart for almost three months and I can already see a big improvement.
     
  17. mercedesman1981

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    "keeping the gun moving" - a tip I recently learned of is to pretend you have the opportunity of a follow-up shot if you miss, this may help to build follow through.

    I have a tendency to poke at it because my lead is not what it should be - too high, too low, etc. I even get too far ahead of it and slow my swing which results in a miss. The hard part for me is to switch from a sustained lead on the shallow angled targets to the pass-through method on the hard angled targets - something I have not sorted out yet.

    I hope this helps,

    Mike
     
  18. hmb

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    Learn to read the trap. That way you won't have to shoot left targets. If you happen to get a left target use one of your FTFs. There is more than one way to skin a cat. HMB
     
  19. Beancounter

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    based on what you wrote about your gun hold, perhaps you are not getting your eyes high enough. With the hold you are using, you need to get your eyes to the right of that. If you are going to keep your gun high, you have to get your eyes higher. Do not look down and see the bird leaving the house. If you want to see the bird come out, you must hold a low gun. (just information - if you want more gun speed, hold to the right of the corner of the house).
     
  20. Fast Oil

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    Eye dominance?
     
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