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Trolling what is the critera for determing a champ

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Bruce Specht, Sep 28, 2009.

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  1. Bruce Specht

    Bruce Specht Well-Known Member

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    Allright, we all know that there are a few self procalimed Champion trollers that are regulars on this site one that if you can believe it likes cats. The question is how is this championship determined? By the number of bites is that correct? Should the trophy be handed off when a challenger in a heads up competiton is the clear victor?
     
  2. Beretta687EELL

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    You probably need to strike a committee and keep track of the hits and responses, determine rules and have a subcommittee to hold and score troll offs. Bill Malcolm
     
  3. crusha

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    There are no trophies...because the tournament never ends...
     
  4. sliverbulletexpress

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    Why do trolls do it?

    I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

    Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

    For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

    Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

    Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!)


    Habitat

    The Internet doesn't have ancient slimey stone bridges, but trolls lurk around in quiet corners of the internet; while they can pop up almost anywhere, they thrive in distant relatively uninhabited corners.
    Social Interaction

    Trolls don't have friends. On the internet, because they interact with human beings, they can convince themselves that they are important, the centre of the universe - that, to them, is better than any friendship. Don't foget, the troll thinks he is always right, and therefore better than other folk. In real life, exactly the opposite applies. the troll has no friends and virtually no interaction with other people.

    If he's a teen (many are), then he lives in his bedroom, trolling, playong computer games with 'friends' (who he doesn't know at all), and joining roleplay sites, where - of course - he is a hero, or a powerful villain, who is respected in an inverse ratio to the respect he feels for himself.

    If he's an adult, then he has serious social issues. He may work, where people think he's a weirdo, and avoid him, he may sponge off his parents or be 'looking for work', which means he blames everyone for his problems. Except himself.

    Most people who are out of work are nothing like the stereotype; most want to work, and gain their self respect through work and being part of the world; but the troll IS the stereotype whining scrounger, to whom the world owes a living.


    Sex Life

    Almost every troll is male; I don't know why this is.

    The troll has few social skills, and most have never had a girlfriend, many never will.

    There's a clear pattern among trolls; they are much more likely to ignore posts known to be from women. And when they do respond to women, they are much more likely to be brief, abusive, condescending and patronising.

    This is almost certainly more due to fear than misogyny - they just don't know any women. Except Mom. But their attitude rather reduces their chances of reproducing, which is probably a good thing.


    Mental Health

    It would be easy to dismiss trolls as mentally ill. Easy and wrong. Most would not score significantly on mental illness assessments. But most are simply immature. Fair enough in a teenager, and they have a chance of growing out of it (though the longer they leave it, the harder they may find it to break the habit). But in adults, it's simply sad.

    Once upon a time, they would have been called 'inadequate psychopaths'; attention seeking loners, forever feeling sorry for themselves, but too bone idle to lift themselves out of their self-selected mire. Some live in a fantasy world, and find it hard to concentrate on real life; they can't make eye contact, and will say just about anything, frequently contradicting a previous statement.
    Intelligence

    Most trolls are pretty thick. Let's face it, it doesn'ttake much intelligence to sus out that the troll life is a pretty pathetic one, and given the choice, even a gerbil would choose a more rewarding lifestyle.


    Technique

    You don't have to be highly intelligent to be an angler, though some would say that it's difficult to be a successful angler without intelligence. Trolls have all the basic skills, and some are successful, though this is often due to negligence by their victims.


    Bait

    Trolls lay a variety of baits. The real idiots go for single lines, such as religious bigotry in religious groups, overt misogynism in nurses' groups, and mind blowing subtly, such as "BILL GATES SUCKS" in microsoft support groups. Darwin tells us that if they get a response at that level, then why would they bother to expend what little brain power they have on a better post?


    If basic bait fails, then the troll may use a variety of techniques, from sheer twaddle to mild insults, from a controversial view to completely irrelevant questions. Anything to get a response. The human flaw in a troll is a failure to tell the difference between "any response" and "approval". So insulting them merely encourages them. Invariably.


    Playing the Fish

    The skilled troll will then focus on a key responder; possibly the rudest, possibly not - but the one the troll thinks is most likley to keep responding. At this stage, other responders may be ignored. But if the original target drops out, then troll may turn to others. few trolls bother to play more than one sucker at a time. They can always come back later.


    Tickling the Trout


    Experienced trolls do not respond at random. Once they have a sucker in their sites, they control the conversation. One post may elicit a long, detailed and perfectly reasonable response, but that is not what the troll wants. So they'll often complete ignore the main argument (which they started!), and focus on one careless detail - a date wrong, a misspelling ofr their next attack. And then the same trick again. And again, so long as the sucker responds.
    Explosives


    When all else fails, the troll will do just what lazy anglers do: they'll drop explosives in the water, clean up and go home. The failed troll can be very abusive indeed.


    Weaknesses


    Trolls have no life, no power; but by manipulating others, even if for just a couple of exchanges, they have control.

    If they can catch an acknowledged expert, so much the better for them.

    There's no need ever to get caught by a troll, though it is amusing to see Mensa members frothing at the mouth.


    Exploit their weaknesses, as they'd exploit yours.


    Attention Need


    Trolls are nothing without attention, just a monster under the bed. While the first post may be camouflaged, it really doesn't take rocket science to identify an active troll. The best response from fellow members of the group is simply to ignore it. And the best response from moderators is to delete their membership; quickly and cleanly, with no negotiation or second chance. The group is more important than one idiot.

    Socially Inept


    Trolls have no self respect and low self esteem, and cannot cope with normal human interaction; start with a bit of flattery, and they may be stuck for a response. Even if they recover, they will not able to react appropriately, which should convince everyone of their trollism.


    Trolls focus on their target, not the issue; additionally, most trolls can only pick on one person at a time. This leaves them wide open to paralysis when you talk about them, but not to them.
     
  5. BIGDON

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    Bruce I think you just caught a whale and I don't think you even had a line in the water.

    Don
     
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    There are times that they simply jump in the boat, fire up the frying pan and ask if you prefer tartar or a butter cream sauce. Those ones are the best.
     
  7. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    TROLLS!!! Are there trolls on this forum??? Bulge.
     
  8. Rollin Oswald

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    Silverbulletexpress has the perfect and equally accurate description of a troll. i.e. a sad and small-minded loser.

    Well done!

    Rollin
     
  9. Bruce Specht

    Bruce Specht Well-Known Member

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    How sweet to land the big fish!
     
  10. wolfram

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    The true champ presents the bait in such a manner as to cause a feeding frenzy so intense that it has to be stopped by a moderator.

    I think we would all agree that Tron is one of the best TS.com trolls.
     
  11. sliverbulletexpress

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    What an honor wolfram.
     
  12. Trappy12

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    So you've defined what makes up a troll as a person...but now define what it means to be a troll!
    -Trappy
     
  13. zarathrusta

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    True story: I once caught a bluegill on a Rapala and while I was reeling him in a bass came up and tried to pull the lure out of the bluegill's mouth. I know this part is an assumption but it sure looked like that bluegill was dying to give it to him.

    This thread kinda reminds me of that.
     
  14. Bruce Specht

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    the hunter becomes the hunted
     
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    One requirement of a true Troll is to live under a bridge.

    As to Bluegill and Bass, more than once I have had a Largemouth Bass inhale a Bluegill I caught while using a fly rod. Usually, the Bass lets go after a few jumps or runs. A friend told me many years ago that he caught a nice Bass in Florida on a fly rod when the Bluegill swam through the Bass's gills and he landed both fish.

    I have also caught a large Pike in Michigan that hit a Crappie i was pulling in and was too dumb to let go before my partner slid a long handled net under him.

    Ed Ward
     
  16. grnberetcj

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    So far, I think the best bait has to be the Hall of Fame move...

    Curt
     
  17. zarathrusta

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    SchoolTeacher: Excellent point! One sign of a good troll is that the troll refuses to let it go.
     
  18. Bruce Specht

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    It's all in getting the fish in the net!
     
  19. Jerry944t

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    There is one bait that, on this forum, never fails to land an endless catch of lunkers. No trolling necessary, just throw it in the water and you'll have way too many to take home.

    The bait is exquisitely simple and not technique sensitive. Just say something pro democrat. So easy a caveman could do it.
     
  20. sliverbulletexpress

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    Now you've done it, stirred up the cave men, shame on you.
     
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