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Tricks for loading Federal Papers?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by riflegunbuilder, Jul 18, 2012.

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  1. riflegunbuilder

    riflegunbuilder Member

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    I just came into some Federal paper hulls, this is my first attempt at loading them. I know I need to get a smooth crimp starter and I have ordered some wads. Anything special to do or tricks to know?
     
  2. grntitan

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    They can be loaded with a regular crimp starter die. I prefer to use my smooth crimp starter die but the regular one works pretty good too.


    These were loaded with the regular crimp starter die on one of my MEC's...........
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  3. fssberson

    fssberson Active Member

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    Use the powder formula for regular Federal hulls. Fred
     
  4. Jim Bradbury

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    I have a MEC 9000. I use the smoth crimp starter when I reload Federal Paper hull. This is the hull that I use for Handicap loads. I use my 1 1/8 once charge bar, # 34 powder bushing, and a downrange DFR3 wad. I inspect the base of EVERY hull before I reload it. Check for pin holes at the base of the paper. Where it meets the metal base. I will reload the hull with about 4 or 5 pin holes anymore than that and I throw the hull in the trash. If there are only 4 or 5 pin holes and the hulll looks good. I use a sharpy and mark the base of the hull where Federal 12Ga. is stamped in it. This way when I shoot the hull I see the sharpy marking and toss the hull after I have shot it.

    Jim Bradbury
     
  5. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    When I load Federal papers on my MEC 9000H, I just remove the crimp starting die and let the next die do the work. My paper loads come out looking like a factory load!!

    Hap
     
  6. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    I have always used the regular die on my PW 2000 and get some factory looking crimps but I am going to try Haps way. He is a very wise man and I can always learn
     
  7. Ross

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    On my machine (Pacific-Hornady) I have to raise the final crimp die just a tad or I get a wrinkle (small bulge) right at the brass, the cone starter works good for me also. Ross Puls
     
  8. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Lou! Wise decisions usually come from past mistakes and I've had my share of those for sure! There's an old saying too that I like; "you can learn a lot from a dummie, but, only if your listening"? :)

    Hap
     
  9. C-Money

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    I like loading the papers! I use a 6 fold crimper on my loader. I shot fig 8 wads and broke a lot of good scores!
     
  10. Newfoundlander

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    Try using a Federal 12S4 was instead of the 12S3..

    You will not get the hole in the crimp as pictured..

    Also the smooth starter as mentioned previously works real well...

    They load just like factory with the 12S4..

    Too bad that the 12C1 wad isn't available these days..

    I would be interested in buying some of those for sure...

    Robert
     
  11. Avaldes

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    I am loading Int'l Clays with the S4 and the reloads look absolutely factory. It did take some tweaking on the loader to get the crimp just right.
     
  12. grunt

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    What powder works the best?
     
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    This is what my hulls look like without using a crimp starter. Just the crimping and finish die on my Mec9000
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  14. skeeljc

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    The trick to reloading Federal papers is to use the right shot/wad/powder combination to properly fit the hull. You cannot compress the wad column like you can with a plastic hull. If you try to stuff too much into the hull the side wall will buckle when you try to crimp it.

    One load that I like that fits the hull is 1 ounce of shot, a Gualandi Trap Commander Z21 wad, and 17.4 grains of Hodgdon Clays powder.

    Jim Skeel<BR>
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  15. oleolliedawg

    oleolliedawg Banned User Banned TS Supporters

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    Find 12S-4 wads first. The rest will be easy!!
     
  16. Stl Flyn

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    Anyone try loading the Fiocci papers?
     
  17. 1oldtimer

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    I load them like Hap does. I snap the crimp starter off my MEC 9000 & get good results. I still have some of the old C1 wads left.
    Clyde
     
  18. Ajax

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    Does anyone load papers on a Spolar?

    Ajax
     
  19. Scott Johnson

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    I load a TGT wad with 19 grains Titewad, 1 oz # 9 and a winchester primer, for 1st shot doubles. They turn out great. Scott
     
  20. oleolliedawg

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    Ajax, I load Federal papers on a Spolar with no issues. Ideally you should use a paper starting cone (PW's work fine in a Spolar) and eliminate most of the taper on that stage!!
     
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