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Trapshooting has not changed - why have the guns?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by topgunshooter, Apr 24, 2009.

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  1. topgunshooter

    topgunshooter TS Member

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    For the most part trapshooting has not really changed. So, why have the guns?

    Shouldn't the Itaca 4E my grandfather used to break 100 singles still work just fine? Shouldn't the MX8 Combo that Dan Bonillas used to break 100 handicap and doubles still work just fine?

    What problems did the older guns have that the newer guns are trying to solve?
     
  2. senior smoke

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    i agree with you 100%. i believe lengthing forcing cones improves patterns, adjustable stocks are great. people are always trying to buy extra targets. put a model 12 in one of the all-americans hands, if it fits them, they would probably shoot the same scores. they will probably complain about the recoil, though. on old timer once told me "a trap is a trap, a target is a target, and a gun is a gun" now go break em.
    steve balistreri
     
  3. Ahab

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    Duh...why do car companies change cars every year? So they can sell more of them!

    We have a character at our club that collects old shotguns....his idea of un is to place a different old SBT at each trap, and will run a 98 or 99 by using a different shotgun on each trap.


    Guess younreally don't need all the bells and whistles that the new guns offer, just one of the old classics!
     
  4. Barry C. Roach

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    adjustable ribs and stocks have helped a lot of shooters learn their POI's and cut through a lot of the grief of removing wood from a perfectly good stock. Then adding some back because you went too far.
     
  5. rick979

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    Actually Dan Bonillas put himself through college by kicking butt at local shoots with an old BT99 with beavertail forearm and taking home all the purse and option money. He broke them all back then too. That's why he had to shoot fast. He needed the extra time to reload that ole' BT99 to hit the second bird in doubles....Yes, He was fast! Yikes!!
     
  6. BIGDON

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    Maybe to score better. Maybe because it shoots softer. Maybe because they feel the need.

    Maybe because it's better than an Ithaca or an Itaca, you don't see them around so what are we suppose to shoot.

    Listen and look at the post as Trapshooting has changed.

    Don
     
  7. Bushmaster1313

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    Here's my first trap gun.
    A 1919 Baker Elite.
    Did not know what trap was, but I bought it because it was the most gorgeous gun I had ever seen.
    Now I'm hooked.

    I want to be be careful with it, however, so I just bought a "new" trap gun. A 1946 Remington 31 TC from TrapShooting Hippie.

    Thank you Gene
    It's nicer than I thought it would be.

    Someday I hope to find an Ithaca 4E Knick with a stock that needs refinishing and metal in need of a reblue.

    Regards
    Lou

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  8. Barry C. Roach

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    After the BT99 and hooked up with P, he went to an Mx3.
     
  9. ivanhoe

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    topgunshooter

    "Shouldn't the Itaca 4E my grandfather used to break 100 singles still work just fine? Shouldn't the MX8 Combo that Dan Bonillas used to break 100 handicap and doubles still work just fine?"

    So tell us who said they don't or are you just making an assumption or are you fishing?

    Bob Lawless
     
  10. CalvinMD

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    Ok...its fess'up time...the main reason the guns change is because the of the guys who are getting their butt kicked week after week...no matter what the real reason or cause...they feel they can overcome that weakness or fault with a new magic wand...only to find that its not really the gun its them...you can't buy 100 straight...if you could there would be a lot of 870's and BT-99's in the firebarrel
     
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    Come to think of it I would really like to use a model "T" to get around in every day. Wouldn't Henry Ford just love that? Bulge.
     
  12. W.P.T.

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    Its the nature of the Beast and the gun and shell manufactors love it, thats what keeps them in business ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  13. halfmile

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    Some of the changes in modern trap guns are genuine improvements and some are for the poor fellows thinking they can buy an extra target.

    The older guns in a lot of cases were sort of Fragile. Vic had a bushel basket full of broken parts from his 31.

    I love my 90T after an endless succession of BT-99's and 1100's and Berettas.

    The 29 way adjustable ribs are a bit much, though.

    hAM
     
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    Factory back bored barrels, better gun fit for the individual, better choke selection, custom stock features from the factory, parts availability, better selection of ribbed barrels, felt recoil reduction with better designed recoil reducer pads, adjustable triggers, faster lock time, to name a few. The old guns were and are great but most have visited a gunsmith to have up dates made if owned by a serious shooter. Post-2
     
  15. grnberetcj

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    Driving hasn't changed - why have the cars?

    Curt
     
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    The analogy to cars doesn't work. Guns don't really change much when it comes to hitting targets. A good shooter can still break 100 with a cheap gun. A bad shooter can't break 100 with a 10,000 dollar gun. The difference in score will be small to nonexistent. People buy expensive new guns because they can and they want to. No other reason. Like someone said before, you can't buy a gun that will give you a perfect score.
     
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    How many of the old guns had barrel work? How long have Eyster and others worked on barrels. Don't be surprised if some of the old shooters had barrel work done. For me, none of the old guns shot high enough. Why do so many of today's shooters require 100% or more POI? What old guns shot 100%? I've owned Model 12's, 1100's, 870's, BT-99's. They all shot flat out of the box. Or were the old boys just use to covering the bird? I've always wondered that. most of those guys didn't have adjustable combs, but you did see alot of moleskin.
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, I'm shooting "old technology" (Rem auto). And I can damn well guarantee that if I switched to a $10,000 gun my score would not only NOT improve, it would actually be worse. Why? Because my Rem auto fits me.
     
  19. ccw1911

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    If you are a competitor you will do everything within the rules to gain an advantage and improve your game to beat the other competitors. If not why bother?

    So whether the game changes or not if it is within the rules to improve the equipment it will happen. It's just not reasonable to think the men who started the sport of trap and the companies who made the guns to shoot it with could know everything there is to know from the very beginning. Nostalgia is fun but things change and some things even get better. Decide what you want out of the sport and go for it and be happy with your choice and mine.
     
  20. Hap MecTweaks

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    Dan Bonillas won his first major handicap championship with a Win. mod. 12 at the old Mint GC in las Vegas. He accomplished that by beating Bud Weeks in a shoot-off after both shot 97s in the main handicap. Both shooters were shooting mod.12s.

    Old timers bent the barrels to shoot higher and some used moleskin on the combs. The inner workings of shotguns haven't really changed all that much either except the quicker lock times of a select few.

    Todays shooter can fit an adjustable stock to his gun much easier than the old timers could so thats a real shooting improvement. Trapshooting has changed a lot compared to the technology of yesteryear in the way clays are thrown so it was a different game back then. Harder to break the high scores we see today.

    Hap
     
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