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TRAPSHOOTER ARRESTED FOR UN-REGISTERED SHOTGUN!

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Barry, Jan 12, 2009.

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  1. Barry

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    This could be anyone of us! I never heard of registering my trap guns!

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Please-Stop-Bringing-Guns-to-LAX--Seriously-.html
     
  2. truthseeker

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    I am suprised the news didnt say he had 2 Assault Weapons in his vehicle since the news media in the "People's Republic of Kalifornia" are sooo anti-gun!

    Also, long guns do NOT have to be registered in California.
     
  3. Joe Potosky

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    Man with guns at airport says he's law-abiding

    - International Herald Tribune -

    LOS ANGELES — The man arrested at Los Angeles International Airport with a trunk full of guns and nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition said Saturday that he is a law-abiding weapons enthusiast who had no idea he might be breaking the law.

    A day after he was arrested for suspicion of felony transportation of an assault rifle, Phillip Dominguez said he's confident he'll be exonerated.

    "I'm a law-abiding, taxpaying gun enthusiast. I have no felonies — up until now," Dominguez said.

    Airport police saw it a little differently.

    "In the post-Sept. 11 (2001) environment, it is well-known by weapon owners that airports and weapons simply do not mix," said Los Angeles Airport Police Chief George Centeno.

    "He just made a very bad decision, and should not have been carrying those weapons," airport police Sgt. Jim Holcomb said on Friday. A call to an airport police spokesman seeking further comment Saturday was not immediately returned.

    Dominguez, 47, of Orange, said he went to the Los Angeles airport to pick up a friend from Baltimore on Friday. They intended to go target shooting at an outdoor range in San Bernardino County.

    As Dominguez entered the airport's ring road, his truck was pulled over for inspection. Dominguez says he knew police would want to look inside the locked cover of the truck bed so he got out, opened it and declared that he had firearms there.

    Dominguez said he had 16 pistols, including an 1858 black-powder Army revolver. He also had five rifles — one of them an assault rifle — and nearly 1,000 rounds of ammunition.

    Dominguez said he didn't think he was breaking any laws since all the weapons and ammunition were in separate, locked boxes. At least half a dozen times since Thanksgiving, Dominguez said he made similar stops at the airport carrying his guns and never saw a police checkpoint.

    He showed officials the paperwork proving the assault rifle was registered and gave them the keys and combinations of all the lockboxes, he said.

    Dominguez said he was handcuffed, taken to a jail, and held for six hours before he was booked. He was released after his family posted $50,000 bail. But his guns and his truck were confiscated.

    He faces a Feb. 6 arraignment.

    Dominguez, who owns a construction company — as well as about 80 guns — says he doesn't blame airport authorities for stopping his truck for inspection. But he believes security should be looking for ex-felons and bank robbers. And he intends to fight.

    "I'm contacting their worst nightmare — an attorney," he said.

    Dominguez' laywer, Bruce Colodny, said it's true that carrying weapons at airports is a sensitive subject but "there's nothing sinister about this. Despite the fact they're controversial, assault weapons continue to be lawfully possessed."
     
  4. jcallan

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    Since I spend a ton of time in and out of airports, I must confess that I was wondering when this was going to happen. Heck I often wonder if the gunpowder residue will show up when I am heading through an airport after shooting 100 shells the day before.

    Joe P, thanks for including the whole article. A couple of things to note here. Dominguez was not carring a couple of shotguns. Based on the article he was carring 16 pistols, 1 assault rifle and what many consider a boatload of ammo. Call me crazy, but after 911 carrying this into an airport zone where you could be stopped is just a bit like asking to be hassled.

    The shame is one of ignorance not one of over zealous police. The police are just doing their job. I hope that Dominguez works it out. It will likely cost him a bunch of cash and a ton of time, but he will likely get off with a serious chat from the judge about common sense.

    As to the left coast...well, they just want to be different. Most be the constant nice temps or the breezes from the ocean. Over here in the East we have contented ourselves that the West coast politics is just a wee bit too left for our tastes anyway.
     
  5. Lead Man

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    Drive into chicago O'Hare airport or just fly through the dam place and get a rental with a gun and see what happens. A lot of states are going down the slope of gun bans faster than I would like to see. We just need to sit on our hands and do nothing a little longer and we will all lose our rights.

    I'll keep my guns and money, you can keep the change.
     
  6. twopipe

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    So how do you & your gun fly to a shoot or hunting trip ? I think the quantity of guns scared some uninformed police. They were afraid to let him go, in case he was a nut job.
     
  7. jcallan

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    If the quantity of guns scare police, then I wonder how they feel to know that gun and ammo sales have increased hundreds of percent since Obama won? Obama sounds like a policeman's worst nightmare.

    I saw a funny thing in Atlanta over the holidays. I stopped in a sporting goods store in one of the north side communities seeking shells. I walked past two obviously plain clothed policemen handling and shopping for paintball pistols and rifles. As I casually walked by I said, "I thought you fellows used the real thing. What is up with the paintballs?"

    The lietenant said that with the economy and the budget cuts he was not sure if they would be able to afford real bullets much longer. I said that the criminals do not have budget cuts. We chatted a bit and it turns out that they were looking for paintball equipment for one of their children. But, it does make you wonder how our police would fare with painball guns against criminals with assault rifles.
     
  8. pendennis

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    This is what happens when people think they have nothing to hide. When Mr. Dominguez entered airport property, he may no longer be on "public" property, and may have ceded his Fifth Amendment rights by doing so.

    Never, ever, consent to an "inspection" of your vehicle for any reason. Police do this all the time, and people get tossed in jail. Make the police get a search warrant. They have to have probable cause to search. Police thrive on deception when investigating a crime.

    A while back, a thread ran here on what you should tell the police. Unless it's identifying yourself, never tell them anything. That's what gets people in trouble.

    Mr. Dominguez is doing the right thing by getting a lawyer. I only hope it's not too late for him.

    Dennis
     
  9. 391 shooter

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    I keep my ATA cards in my truck all the time in case I am in a traffic stop with three shotguns and a couple thousand rounds of 12 guage shells which is not that uncommon for me and my wife when we go to shoots.

    I do this in hopes if I get a newby cop I can splain my way out of (in his mind)a bad situation.

    I also keep a copy of the "Summary of California Gun Laws and Basic Safety Rules" in my truck as well, as a possible education tool for the uninformed.

    CYA
     
  10. laura!

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    Well said Mark! People should not be afraid of NOT breaking the law. That said, Dennis, I also agree with you; never voluntarily allow the police to search your vehicle without a warrant, even if it's empty! Last year when we drove to Florida, we got pulled over in SC. The officer asked if we had any guns and we said no. We had 3 trap guns in the back, but it wasn't his business. If we'd said yes, then he would have asked to search, would have held us up trying to get a warrant and it all would have been a waste of our vacation time and tax dollars.
     
  11. rd

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    This man's conduct would not be unlawful in my state. (Colo.) I have carried a gun IN the terminal when meeting friends on flights. Is this illegal in other states? If it were truly illegal in Kalifornia, it would not surprise me, but can any of you inform us of your own state or city laws on this?
     
  12. sptnclays

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    The police are just doing their job.
    I didn't see where this guy broke the law.
    What I have learned the hardway last year are the police arn't your friends.
    If they ask to search your car, house whatever it means they don't have any evidence but hope to find some. Let them get a search warrant.
    Lawyers arn't either but they can tell you how the system works for the uninformed. You get read your rights for a reason. It means even if you think you are innocent of any wrong doing keep your mouth shut until a lawer shows up. You don't talk you walk.
     
  13. Hydra

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    In any state the police do not have the right to search your car, truck or home without a warrent. They do have the right to search your car truck if you are a felon, drunk, have dope on the seat or in your pocket hanging out, in view of the officer, bong, dope pipe, open can or bottle. I told an officer NO when he asked to search my car because of a bad taillight stop and all hell broke loose. I stood my ground and that just made him madder. I thought that was funny. I was nice but did not give him a reason to do anything. Not even a private place does not have the right to search your property. If you say it OK then you give up your rights and all they will say in court that you said it was OK. People think they have the right to search a car without a warrent. People are not willing to stand up for themselves and say NO you may not.

    Instead of flying with a gun I'm going to start to mail them to where I'm going.
     
  14. pendennis

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    There are probably some lawyers on the site, and while I'm not seeking legal advice, maybe they could answer this question:

    If the police come to your residence, auto, or other private property, with a properly signed search warrant, can you have the search delayed until your attorney can come and observe the search?

    I'm not referring to trying to hide something; only to know that your attorney can be present during a search.

    Reasoning: Your attorney would be knowledgable as to search limits, etc.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
  15. fdiesel

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    Pendennis, once a search warrant has been signed, it is no way to delay the search from that point. If it is deliberately delayed, the offenders are subject to obstruction of justice charges. Your lawyers best bet is try to get whatever evidence seized during the search suppressed for whatever reason.

    BTW, I saw in an earlier post that you stated that the police need a search warrant for your vehicle. I'm informing you that in the State of Michigan, that is incorrect. A LEO has been granted by the courts the search provisions given in search warrants when it comes to vehicles. Due to what is called exigent circumstances, the potential evidence believed to be housed in the vehicle could be driven away by the owner. There is a grey area when it comes to rvs. It is a matter of whether or not the rv is used as transportation or as lodging at the time of the encounter.

    Just thought I'd let you know
     
  16. Don Steele

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    Face it folks...
    Our RIGHTS are gone. What we're doing now is bickering over the "left-overs"..and trying to hold on to a few "privileges" left to us in some places, but not in others. Rights are like muscles...if you don't exercise them...you lose them.
    Stopped while out riding my motorcycle...the officer asks if he can search my saddlebags. I politely say No Sir. He gets a bit upset, and reminds me he can hold me until a "Drug Dog" gets there...I offer no objection.."go ahead". Sooo...here we are, standing on the side of the interstate...waiting for about 1 1/2 hours. Dog arrives...finds nothing..I ask the officer if I can go on my way, or am I under arrest.? He tells me to "Get the hell out of here..."
    Gives you a real warm feeling about LEO's....
     
  17. fdiesel

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    Hopefully it doesn't happen to you again but if it does, you should do the following:

    Obtain the LEO's agency and badge number
    Call there dispatcher immediately and inform them of your stop
    In ten minute intervals, call back and repeatedly inquire about the department procedures as well as state law regarding the action being currently taken
    Document times of everything

    Then if the unwarranted investigation continues, forward all of that info to the DOJ. Believe it or not they will respond and in a pretty timely fashion I might add.
     
  18. MilCon

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    In 40 or so years I have found ,and I must give credit to whomever said it
    "when SECONDS count the cops are ONLY minutes away".
    Bottom line, most that I have seen and know are jack boots and would have worked out just fine working for the 1940's SS.

    When guns are taken away, have no fear, you will still be able to get them, they will just cost more when you buy them from the cops that took them away.

    If I have offended some of you out there , TS, you know it's true.
     
  19. primed

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    In the state of Minnesota, if you have a carry permit, you can carry loaded weapons right up to the TSA security checkpoint. Further you can carry any number of loaded weapons up to the security check point. Rifles, shotguns, BB guns and handguns are all covered by your carry permit. Is it wise to do so? Probably not. It would just give the anti's something else to bitch about.

    Do a google search for "never talk to the police". It's a 48 minute video. Half presented by a law professor and half presented by a former cop. This should be a must see for anyone who owns guns. You are never required to talk to cops except to identify yourself. It's in the constitution.

    I have an acqaintance who had the cops show up to talk to him about a truancy matter. He would not open the door because the cop had no warrant. The cop said he was going to stand at the door until the guy talked to him. The guy then called the sheriff's office to report a man with a gun who refused to leave. The local cop decided to leave after a call from the sheriff's office. No problem since.

    It's not about being rude to cops. It is about protecting yourself. If you don't do it, who will.

    Keep in mind that Martha Stewart and Marion Jones went to prison for one crime...lying to investigators. If you don't talk to them, it's pretty hard to lie to them.

    Don't be your own worst enemy.

    Bob
     
  20. SPD557

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    This guys only chance is to fight the prob cause for the stop. I dont know what law allows stop and searches just because hes driving into an airport, though there prob is one somewhere. He cooked his goose when he was upfront with why he was there. If hed said he was going to the range but got lost he would have been ok. They arrested him for transporting the assault weapon. In Ca. you can only take the AW directly to the range....no shooting on your own property or out in the forest or desert.
     
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