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Trappy's Immigration Plan

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Trappy12, Jul 18, 2010.

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  1. Trappy12

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    Trappy

    Since the immigration topic is quite a huge deal affecting our country currently, and god knows none of the politicians are really going to do anything about it, I've developed my own plan for how to fix this little problem we've got going on.
    If you cut off the reason for the illegals to come here illegally then they will all stop coming and just keep moving up to Canada if they so choose. How do we do this? Go after all of the companies and people who hire illegal immigrants and are making a pretty penny off of them. Right now all the government does is raid the places where illegals are suspected to be working, then deport them yet the company who hired them pays no fine, penalty etc. and gets off free. This lack of regulation just allows them to hire more illegals who will be more than willing to keep coming. They are completely replaceable to the companies who hire them. If we really start cracking down on the companies who hire the illegal immigrants, and imprison and or fine them then they will all stop hiring the illegals. Just like with drugs, you don't go after the drug addict in order to get drugs off the street, you go get the drug dealer which eliminates a place to buy drugs so addicts can't get their drugs, and ensures that there will be no new users or addicts.
    Now what to do with the 11 million illegals who are already here. Everyone can see that we DO NOT have nearly enough money or resources to hunt down all 11 million (and counting) and deport them. Though most agree this may be the best option for the country it is just not possible and nobody can deny that. What we can do, however, is focus on those who have broken the law and not behaved like a model citizen, committed crimes and etc. and kick them out of the country. The rest, well unfortunately there really is NO OTHER OPTION than amnesty. As much as I hate to say it, it's the only option we really have. Then, once we have cut off the reason for any illegals to remain here, some will leave, others will stick around and try to gain citizenship. But the big consequence of cutting off employment options for illegals is that none of them will come here because there is no longer and opportunity for them. Then once we have kicked out all the bad eggs, then we build up boarder defenses, and increase strict immigration laws to keep those who still insist on coming here for whatever reason, out.
    Thoughts?
    -Trappy
     
  2. halfmile

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    Hey, Trappy, what about all the guys that have been leaving Pakistani passports, and copies of the Koran, and other raghead gear around the border nests?

    Do you think they work somewhere?

    Personally I would prefer a fence of moving lead projectiles immediately.

    HM
     
  3. Trappy12

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    halfmile, that is where the stricter immigration laws come into play, but at the same time those guys are a minority compared to the hispanics who are coming in illegally. It is impossible to shut down all illegal immigration but this would certainly take care of the bulk of it. Would you agree?
    -Trappy
     
  4. halfmile

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    I would punish the employers big time. Yes. But, you shold know......


    "Lost in the distracting debates about Mexican illegals is the fact that thousands of immigrants from the Muslim world and state sponsors of terrorism can, do, and always have found it easy to steal across the Mexican border. In intelligence parlance, these immigrants have come to be known as “special interest aliens” because they come from Muslim countries that are flagged for hosting known terrorist organizations. The Obama administration and immigrant advocacy groups pressuring for a rollback of the Bush-era crackdown policy need only read current Department of Homeland Security (DHS) “threat assessments” to be reminded that border security was never squarely about Mexicans and Central Americans. It was always about “special interest aliens.”

    The 2008-2013 threat assessment put out by the Office of Intelligence and Analysis of the Department of Homeland Security enunciates what it still considers to be the central threat for the next half decade: “At the highest level of concern, terrorists will attempt to defeat border security measures with the goal of inserting operatives and establishing support networks in the United States.” It goes on to state: “These illicit actors also could pose as refugees or asylum seekers to gain access to the United States. State failure and internal conflicts abroad will continue to generate sizable refugee flows to the United States — notably from countries of special interest for terrorism in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia — which could provide opportunities for illicit entry.”

    Putting the AZ law into effect in all states would be nice too.

    HM
     
  5. Trappy12

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    How do you guys feels about having your identification randomly checked with or without reason? Security wise it makes sense, but it does kind of violate the 4th Amendment one could argue. So I'm kind of torn.
    As far as the possible terrorists sneaking in through the Mexican border, that's why after you take care of those here already and the employment issues you build up border defenses.
    -Trappy
     
  6. BAD 303

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    As a liberal when did you become concerned about the constitution? And why not give the illegals 30 days to pack their bags and get out or they will be imprisoned and deported. Then put snipers on our borders along with the fence. You want in you play by OUR rules. Just like every other country. Pretty simple if you ask me and Govenor Brewer.
     
  7. Trappy12

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    1. I am not liberal. You just think anyone who isn't as right winged as you are is a liberal/socialist.
    2. Because we are NOT China or the Soviet Union.
    3. As I said, anyone with half a brain can realize that we DO NOT have enough money or resources to do something like that. Otherwise that would be the best option, but that is not an option.
    -Trappy
     
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    What do you mean it is not an option? The money they save in our school systems alone could pay for the fence and snipers. Let alone what we would save in medical and housing subsidies along with government welfare and the list goes on and on. It is all about buying votes for the libs.
     
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    Who gets randomly checked without reason?

    That's straight out of the Kool-Aid jar.

    Read the bill. My Grandson did. Set his teacher straight too.

    HM
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    Well Trappy, that's a good first step.

    But also add in:

    No entitlements for illegal aliens. This means no school, welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, etc. Period.

    No driver's licenses, no government issued ID.

    No amnesty.

    No green Cards and legal documents UNLESS they go back to Mexico and apply via the legal process and follow established law.
     
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    Brian you are correct. They will go back on there own.

    George
     
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    halfmile, I didn't say anyone did. I'm asking how you guys feels about that as a possible option to help cut back on illegals. Personally I am torn between it.
    Brian, as I said, because we do not have the funding or resources for that! How are we going to kick over 11 million people out of our country?! It's just impossible.
    If we go after the employers who are exploiting the illegals to make a pretty penny then they will no longer to be able to offer jobs to the illegals and they will leave on their own. Those who don't, maybe serve 4 years in the military and then let them apply for legal citizenship?
    -Trappy
     
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    Total forfeiture and Federal Prison time for those companies hiring illegals is a good step towards eliminating the lure of easy Gringo money. Also, NO BENNIES to illegals, except a bus ride to the border.

    I, as a native born, Native American, can be approached and asked to identify myself by ANY LEO. Look it up. If I refuse, I can be arrested and held without bond until my identity is verified. I just have two words for that.

    NO PROBLEM.

    Seal the Borders, like every other country, INCLUDING MEXICO, does. Sneak into Mexico illegally, get caught, and see what happens.
     
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    I don't mind being checked, but if was of latin origin and lived in AZ, it'd probably get old fast.

    When you travel in Europe you get checked all the time, passports are kept in a close pocket because you have to show it everywhere. Stay the night at the Marriot, they keep your passport till you checkout. It was a bit wierd when I got home, with no one asking to see "my papers". I'm pretty sure given the state of things to come, we all need to get accustomed to showing ID more often. It's much better than the alternatives.
     
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    It might interest trappy to know that Canada 1 year ago imposed strict visa requirements on so called visitors from Mexico to eliminate large nos of bogus refugee claims Canada is not a country one can just drop into like the US and have large segments of the government ignore its own laws.I lived in Canada for many years my wife is Canadian and although Canada admits significant nos of legal immigrants its laws are strict and stricly enforced!
     
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    Trappy, You have never operated a business. some of the ID's are incredible. I want honest workers. I follow all the rules, some are still illegal. You are a liberal and that is that. You don't get that illegal immigrants are killing us financially. I would hope to be around when you grow up. I think you have something good inside. Just not now.
     
  17. ivanhoe

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    "Go after all of the companies and people who hire illegal immigrants and are making a pretty penny off of them."

    Just out of curiosity this project be financed, How????

    "As I said, anyone with half a brain can realize that we DO NOT have enough money or resources to do something like that."

    YA and those of us with a whole brain ask ourself if we can finance a Nation wide crackdown on thousands of business that might potentially hire illegals. We should be able to finance that for about a buck-298 with no problems. After all it won't cost very much to hire enough enforcement officers to cover thousands of business.

    "How are we going to kick over 11 million people out of our country?! It's just impossible."

    I think the only things that are impossible are the things that people call impossible. There is an old saying "Nothing ventured nothing gained" it also applies to the impossible. To call something impossible and just do nothing about it is a sure fired way to prove impossibility.

    Trappy I don't know if they still teach U.S. History in the schools but if they do they sure as he** aren't teaching how costs relate to the Constitution. The Constitution has been defended many time in foreign war by citizens of this country. Many at the costs of their own lives are you now asking how how I feel about an idea that isn't in your mind, cost effective?

    Well tell it to the millions that have died establishing and defending the Constitution of this country. That your plan is to take away the illegals immigrants income in hopes they will be forced to go back where they came from.

    I say to He** with the Mr. Nice Guy tactics run them out of the country by what ever means is needed. Because in the not so distance future this will become a war to keep this country free. Instead it will be a country just like Mexico. No industry(we are already headed in that direction)very little jobs of any kind. Only drug dealer taking over the country in all out warfare shooting and killings in the streets. Potentially that is where we are headed unless we stop the gravy train. Tell the Messiah that his desire to not insult anyone doesn't do a damn thing for this country. Whether he likes it or not he has sworn a Oath to uphold the Constitution of this country that means if stepping on some toes is necessary to live up to his Oath. Then he better roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty and get the job done.

    BTW Trappy you or the Messiah aren't going to stop the gravy train by telling them there are no more jobs for you go home. Like all of those that defended the Constitution in the past some will die to keep this country free. If he or you or anyone doesn't understand that you should be doing some studying about this countries past.

    So please promise I can be there when you explain to the families of those that died for this country how we just don't have money for the best policies. How it is impossible to kick out 11 million invaders. Thats right invaders if they are here legally then they have to be invaders. There is no other term for it as very few people seem to understand what illegal means. While you are at it explain to them how their love ones sacrifices were not in the best financial interests of this country. YA RIGHT!!!!!!!

    Bob Lawless
     
  18. oz

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    why arrest them? california is letting (non violent) inmates out early becaust they can't afford to keep them in jail. wait till they find out the cost of keeping them out of jail. oz
     
  19. dmarbell

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    Trappy said, "Just like with drugs, you don't go after the drug addict in order to get drugs off the street, you go get the drug dealer which eliminates a place to buy drugs so addicts can't get their drugs, and ensures that there will be no new users or addicts."

    This has worked out really well? Drug use is down in the US?

    Seems like I've been reading about drug cartels in Mexico killing each other and killing officers and officials in a drug war.

    Next.

    Danny
     
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    "You then bash Trappy and call him a liberal. You and people like you are our problem!!"

    Do you have reading comprehension or just an Axe to grind. If he follows all the rule and some still have the paper work to prove they are still qualified to be hired . How do you equate that as wrong doing?????

    "You ignorant jerks kill me."

    I would say judging by what you have said you fit the "ignorant jerks" statement to a tee.

    Bob Lawless
     
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