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Toyota vs. GM

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  1. Husky44

    Husky44 Active Member

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    Toyota vs GM

    A Modern Parable.

    A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (GM ) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

    On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

    The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

    Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people rowing.

    Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

    They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

    Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

    They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2 people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rowers. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and teamwork posters.

    The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

    Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.

    The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable to even finish the race (having no paddles,) so he was laid off for unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India.

    Sadly, the End.

    Here's something else to think about: GM has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

    TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

    TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while GM racked up 9 billion in losses.

    GM folks are still scratching their heads, and collecting bonuses... Well not anymore, but you get the point.

    IF THIS WEREN'T SO TRUE IT MIGHT BE FUNNY
     
  2. Milkbone

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    Was the point that you told a dumb story?
     
  3. Setterman

    Setterman Well-Known Member

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    Wheres the part where the government subsidizes the purchase of new canoe paddles?
     
  4. crusha

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    Where's the part where they go BANKRUPT, and we the taxpayers pay the consultant to tell them what they already know?
     
  5. GW22

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    It's not a dumb story. In fact, it relates directly to my situation.

    I've spent my entire adult life either self-employed or in jobs directly related to manufacturing, much of it in union shops. So, until recently I never imagined myself buying a "foreign" vehicle. But after years of tolerating poor quality and bad service from GM, and finally seeing them shamelessly get taken over by the government, I had had enough. So, three days ago, after 29 consecutive years of GM ownership, I wrote a $32,500+ check for a loaded Toyota minivan for my wife. Unlike the two "American" Chevys sitting in my driveway, which were actually made in Canada, our new Toyota was made in Indiana -- by Americans.

    If GM can lose loyal people like me as customers, I don't know how anyone can think they're running a business properly. The next vehicle I buy for myself will likely be a Ford but, as far as I'm concerned, Toyota is certainly more representative of the traditional American work ethic, and taking care of American workers, than GM.

    -Gary
     
  6. DoubleAuto

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    Picked up our new Toyota Venza made in Georgetown, Kentucky last Friday. First foreign branded car I ever bought new (only the second foreign branded car ever owned). Sixty-one years old and through with Chevrolet (and Chrysler). Considered a Ford but didn't even go to look at GM or Chrysler products. Been screwed too many times as a taxpayer by those two companies. Let Obama and the Democrats drive them.

    DoubleAuto
     
  7. KRK32

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    Buzz Gun Thats in Chapter 13. Kirk
     
  8. crusha

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    I was a 20-year GM owner...but no more. They are dead to me, as far as I'm concerned. I agree with the poster above...let the Democrats drive them. Never again for me - and I do mean, NEVER. Chrysler either (I've been burned by their quality, and had already written them off before any of the bailouts happened).


    DoubleAuto - how do you like your Venza? 6 or a 4, and did you get the Panoramic roof? I know the AWD thing is a little new for those Toyota guys, but it looks like a neat vehicle and I think they'll do good with it.
     
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    Picked up the Venza last Friday and drove it home 325 miles. Great vehicle on the road and very comfortable. Got the 6-cylinder but no panoramic roof (we don't use the one we have on another vehicle). Fully adjustable leather seats are like sitting in a comfortable recliner. Pretty good size person so I needed a vehicle with plenty of room. My wife and I will be heading out on a 5-6 week trip to NH, Maine, Vermont, Nova Scotia and PEI in September and plan to put 8-10 thousand miles on the Venza. Will really be able to tell if we made the right decision after that trip. So far very pleased with the vehicle. 28.0 mpg on the initial tank of gas coming home.

    DoubleAuto
     
  10. GunDr

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    Well, my wife and I finally went the Toyota route also. We traded in her '95 Chrysler (it was ready for the junkyard..200k plus miles). The dealer gave us 3k on trade in for a 2008 Camry with 14k miles on it. It cost us $11,000.

    We took the longest trip with it 2 weeks ago to WI. 1200 miles round trip and average 33mpg at a steady 75mph. I didn't even burn up a $100 bill. It also was very comfortable for me at 6'3".

    She loves the car.

    I still love my Ford 250 Super Duty diesel crew-cab.

    Doug
     
  11. walnutmaker

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    Twenty five years a loyal GM buyer and owner-- 11 new vehicles in 30 years. My family is now an all Toyota family. Better products, better gas mileage, and I feel better overall quality. Have a Tundra, Tacoma and------

    Just brought home a new Highlander ---- 27 mpg-- and is at least as fast as my Last Tahoe. I repeat LAST Tahoe.

    Sorry GM you did this to yourselves. Phil Simms
     
  12. plabels466

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    Bought my first GM - an Olsmobile in 1956.....I was a totally dedicated & proud GM owner & a union man up to 2002. No more..... I will be buying a new Lexus.....This president is defying the the reasons that mada America great.....My way of protesting & getting a better SUV.....Pete
     
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    Same here, bought a 2009 Honda CRV 3 weeks ago. No more GM for me either.
    Colonel
     
  14. SirMissalott

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    Even before the socialization of the auto industry, the building a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord employed more Americans than a Ford Taurus or Chevy Impala. I don't know why the union rank & file blindly support the Dems. Clinton was the one who brought us GATT & NAFTA. Cap & trade will kill the most profitable part of US automakers i.e. trucks & SUV's.

    The deal breaker for me was when the UAW SHUNNED our military because they supported Bush. I will not support a SOCIALIST AUTO MANUFACTURER!!
     
  15. Baber

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    I was a loyal GM customer once but then I bought an Olds Diesel.... Been on Ford Crown Victoria ever since.... No major problems. Will buy another when the time comes if Obama will let me. If we are not careful we will all be driving Tiny Smart Cars.

    Tom
     
  16. ou.3200

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    I doubt I will buy another GM (Government Motors) car but it won't be a Toyota either. 2000 Camry worst new car I ever bought.
     
  17. twopipe

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    Geez, I guess I shouldn't have bought my Ford E 250, it was made in USA. I'll have to try & get one made in Canada !
     
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    And once upon a time there was a great company named General Motors, then came the labor unions that broke this once great company. Now it is nothing more than an embarrassment to all AMERICANS......Ed
     
  19. halfmile

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    I love my Buick LeSabre 3.8. It gets 32 MPG and is super nice inside and comfy.

    so I look at the ads in this morning paper, and the new ones get 24 and 28.

    WTF is going on? I guess new improved means something else to these people.

    HM
     
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    They have changed the MPG rating system.

    All Others
    I somewhat agree BUT all of you mention BUILT, these cars are ASSEMBLED from parts made elsewhere, maybe in your state, maybe in Japan or Korea or Germany, who knows.Hopefuloly some ofthe earnings remain in the USA.

    Bill
     
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