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Toronto Mayor way out of ORDER

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  1. Toddy

    Toddy Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    “Gun-toting Yanks” not welcome in Toronto

    By: Arthur Weinreb

    Canada Free Press

    June 2, 2008

    Toronto mayor David Miller announced measures to be taken to keep legally owned guns out of Toronto, last week. The proposal calls for the use of zoning and other bylaws to prevent new gun clubs, firing ranges and firearm manufacturers from opening within city limits. The city also intends to cancel leases that Toronto holds with two gun clubs and it will be illegal for anyone to store firearms anywhere within Toronto’s boundaries.

    As a justification for these measures, the mayor points to the murder of John O’Keefe a few months ago. O’Keefe was innocently walking by a strip club on Toronto’s main street when he was killed by a disgruntled patron who was trying to take out a bouncer.

    This was one of those rare incidents where the alleged shooter had a legal right to possess the murder weapon. Mayor Miller conveniently leaves out the fact that the alleged killer was carrying the firearm illegally at the time of the shooting as well as the fact that he belonged to a gun club that was located outside of the city. If Miller’s proposals had been in effect, there would have been no difference. But facts should never get in the way of ideology.

    The mayor has enough toadies on the city’s executive committee as well as on council to ensure the passage of these measures. The major effect that these new laws will have will be to drive gun related businesses out of Toronto and into the suburbs where many businesses have already gone to avoid high taxes and other negative aspects of the city.

    In response to the mayor’s proposals, the Canadian Institute for Legislative Action and the Canadian Shooting Sports Association have called for a boycott of Canada’s largest city. They are urging tourists, primarily American gun owners, not to come to Toronto (http://www.torontothebad.com).

    Who knew that keeping American tourists out of Toronto is actually what Toronto City Council wants? On Friday, the Toronto Star, Canada’s largest daily circulation newspaper published a letter to the editor from Councillor Adam Vaughan, a left wing supporter of David Miller. Vaughan used the letter to justify the city’s reasons for driving gun related businesses out of the city. He also mentioned the letters that have been coming in to Toronto City Hall since these proposals were announced. Speaking of these letters he wrote,

    My favourite letters are the ones being sent from the U.S. Gun owners there are now urging a boycott of Toronto. Considering that most of the problems with guns on our streets emanate from south of the border, I couldn’t be happier. If all it took was closing a couple of shooting ranges to stop gun-toting Yanks from coming to our city, maybe we should have shut the doors on these clubs years ago.

    The councillor could not have made it any clearer. Americans are not welcome in Toronto – STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HERE!

    The reality is that there is no appreciable violent crime in Canada that is committed by Americans. Nor are Americans primarily responsible for smuggling guns into Canada; that is done by Canadian criminals who politicians like David Miller and Adam Vaughan are too busy crying tears over to take any action. Vaughan’s statement is nothing more than classic America bashing that is so popular with Canada’s left.

    All of this comes at a time when tourism to Toronto is down. A combination of heightened security measures at the border, the rise of the Canadian dollar and higher fuel prices have acted to reduce the number of American tourists. Tourism Toronto even hired Russell Peters as a global ambassador for tourism in an attempt to increase the numbers. Mr. Peters is a comedian by profession; how utterly appropriate for the city that has now become a joke.

    So to all our American readers – don’t ever come to Toronto. You’re simply not wanted here.

    My comments below.....RT


    Previously posted in an email to me....

    Reg. Todd, East Sooke, BC
  2. perazzitms

    perazzitms TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Clean up Yonge St and you clean up 95% of the crime/drug/prostitution/gang problem in all of Canada.

    Toronto was once a great city. Now it's gone straight into the shitter - overrun by those who think the Crown owes them a living.
  3. bobdog

    bobdog Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Sounds like Chicago...
  4. ljutic73

    ljutic73 Well-Known Member

    Dec 29, 2005
    Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
    Toronto considers itself the centre of the universe, and that whatever is good for TO is or must be good for the rest of Canada...and the rest of us, especially out west can't possibly know what is good for us and that it's the duty of Toronto to tell us what is!!....Miller is another in a long line of Liberal A-holes who have a very high opinion of themselves. His predecessor, Mel Lastman even suggested that Toronto should be made a "city-state" with all (or more than) the power of the province.

    Ron Burr

  5. Setterman

    Setterman Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2007
    my duck hunting buddies in Ontario could care less if Toronto fell off the face of the earth. They call it the "Canadian Kallyfornya".
  6. ontariogal

    ontariogal Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Dear Fellow Canadians,

    How about we stick together on a very serious matter, that being the misguided beliefs and hidden agendas of our politicians on the issue of gun control in Canada. We all know that these beliefs and agendas are not limited solely to the Toronto elected officials, but simply at the forefront this month with the hungry pack of media wolves who in fact are actually inadvertantly working on our behalf right now by making Mr. Miller look like the fool that he is.

    Why not be constructive like the two Ontario trapshooters who have have sent the following, well-constructed and forceful letters to Toronto's mayor and his councillors? These two individuals have a far better chance at effectively promoting and protecting our rights and our heritage than you folks do, who seem to be doing nothing more than bashing our own country on this website. Please help me to understand what good can come out of your actions here on ts.com for legitimate firearms owners and our visitors who want to participate in the shooting sports and hunt in Canada??

    How about you take the time to read these letters now and then reply?
    Barbara Sheldon
    Producer - The 2008 Canadian Trapshooting Championships

    May 29/08
    Dear Mayor Miller:

    I am one of the millions of Canadians that responsibly own firearms. I clearly understand that firearm owners are not welcome in the City of Toronto and I will respect your wishes. I will not visit your city and spend my money there. As well, I will tell others of my decision and encourage them to do the same.

    I am a 60 year old woman and, until recently, had never had much to do with firearms of any kind. Eight years ago I met a man who was into hunting and clay target sports. After two years of observing, I gladly gave up golf and took up hunting and shooting sports. I have seen more displays of temper and abuse of equipment on the golf course than I ever have at any of the many gun clubs we visit.

    It is time to wake up and put the blame where it belongs--on the criminals, not the tools they use. Criminals don't register their weapons, and spending millions of dollars registering the long guns of responsible gun owners will not stop them from obtaining and using illegal firearms. And as you are well aware, hand guns--the weapon of choice for criminals--have been under mandatory registration for years.

    If you close down our sporting complexes (gun clubs) thinking this will solve your problem, you should consider closing all sporting complexes. You never see fans or participants of shooting sports rioting in the streets after they have lost or won a match. If you analyzed the percentage of criminals who participated in shooting sports to golf, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey, football, etc. you would find it is not the sport that produces criminals but rather the environment in your city. Spend the dollars to clean up your city and quit harassing law-abiding citizens and their sport of choice.

    Sheila O'Reilly
    Sault Ste. Marie, ON

    May 29/08
    Dear Mayor Miller:

    I am one of the millions of Canadians that responsibly own firearms. I clearly understand that firearm owners are not welcome in the City of Toronto and I will respect your wishes. I will not visit your city and spend my money there. As well, I will tell others of my decision and encourage them to do the same.

    Do you have any idea how many thousands of Toronto area citizens own firearms and simply love hunting and family recreational shooting sports; yes "family", you read it right--shooting sports are extremely popular with women and young boys and girls as well as us guys; and rightly so since this pursuit is in our blood, it's our culture and one of our most valuable heritage rights. A great example of this could be witnessed at the Hamilton Gun Club in Stoney Creek at the end of June when hundreds of Canadians from all walks of life, young and old, will gather from all across Canada with visitors from the USA to take in the Canadian Trap Shooting Championships; perhaps someone from your shop might go down there and see just how wonderful trapshooting can be as a family recreational activity. And the well-managed target shooting club facilities in the Toronto area are some of the finest anywhere and to be targeting them with your utterly silly, propagandic nonsense trying to whip up media support to close them down is not only impudent but grotesquely out of touch with reality.

    The reality Mr. Mayor is that your administration has badly fumbled the ball. A while back you fired Chief Fantino because he publicly stated that the federal long gun registry had not helped the Toronto police solve one single crime and the money spent on it misguided. You don't have the gonads to stand up and tell the truth about Toronto's gang problems that largely reside in the black community; that would be so-called racial profiling and targeting a minority group. Well guess what, law-abiding firearm owners are a minority group but in your world it's simply fine to puke all over them; liberal hypocrisy at its best in the vein of your heros Paul Martin and Jean Chretien!

    You've bitten off more than you can chew with this latest politically motivated diatribe; we'll see you in court and when your voters witness the needless waste of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in legal costs that will ensue with the fine Toronto area gun clubs still in existence at the end of the day then they will rid themselves of the moron that could have used those hard-earned tax dollars for worthwhile programs like putting more police to work on the gang problems. I would hope the waste can be prevented by the intervention of a common sense approach by Toronto councillors who have the power to tell you to go jump in the lake!

    Ron P. Alton, St. Joe's Island, Ontario
  7. jsteenson

    jsteenson Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Do you think he might be a liberal? Liberals are simple people,they only have and anus and a mouth and they are interchangeable.Jack form Alberta.
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