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To The Navy SEALS

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Rio, Apr 14, 2009.

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  1. Rio

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    My hat off too the three Navy SEALs Snipers.
    One Shot, One Pirate

    Good Job
    Rio
     
  2. B682GX

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    I wonder if we will ever find out the exact details of the shots: firearms & ammo used, range, type of scope & magnification, weather & light conditions, sea swells, if any, entry & exit wounds, etc.
     
  3. Gross Man

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    Jay Leno says - "The score is: Seals 3, Pirates 0"
     
  4. shannon391

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    They took some very bad guys and made them into a "chum".
     
  5. hmb

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    I heard there were three snipers assigned to shoot each pirate. HMB
     
  6. PerazziBigBore

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    I've never met a Seal that was not the ultimate nice guy who dearly loves his country.. My hat is off to each and everyone of them that have endured and put their life on the line to protect our lives and liberty.. All Good.. Mike
     
  7. Setterman

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    I'd like to hear the final story on this. I've heard 40 yard and 150 yard shots, sea was calm and rough. Did all three of the BG's stand up out in the open simultaneously? If so, they were pretty stupid. A 40 yard shot would not be tough unless the sea was rough. But then again, few of us have put the crosshairs on a BG under that type of stress.

    I did however shoot a running ground squirrel at 40 yards with my 1022 yesterday. I always wanted to be a seal, but all I can do is dogpaddle.
     
  8. pyrdek

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    Too The Navy SEALS

    From what I heard on a couple of news report (if you want to totally accept what the news reports/reporters say) the sequence was something like this.

    The Navy ship provided a tow line to the lifeboat to allow it to be towed to calmer waters since the swells were causing some level of discomfort to the pirates and Captain. One of the pirates came aboard the navy ship to "negotiate and get an injured hand treated". He also, supposedly, indicated that he did not intend or want to go back to the lifeboat.

    This tow line was slowly reeled up shortening the distance between the Navy ship and the lifeboat. This was done without the pirates apparently noticing the shortening distance.

    Three Seal team snipers were setup on the fantail of the ship after having been air dropped, with their equipment, into the water near the ship and then being taken aboard.

    The distance was shortened to, if you believe the reports, about forty yards between the lifeboat and the ship.

    When all three pirates had their head and shoulders visible to the Seal snipers, one at the wheel of the lifeboat and the other two somewhere else and one pirate was pointing an AK-47 (funny that the only actual weapon called by name was the same weapon that the media always seems to list when talking about gun banning in the U.S.) the Captain of the navy ship gave the go-ahead for all three snipers to fire simultaneously, one to each pirate if the Captain was positioned to allow such a series of shots without danger to the hostage. Three shots, sounding like one, took out all three pirates with head shots.

    Now here is where the credulity of the media gets pretty well stressed in my book. The reporter claimed that the snipers had gyroscopic stabilized rifles to allow them to hold the target in the sights even with the "wildly pitching" deck of the ship. If the ship was so "wildly pitching" how would the lifeboat not be thrown all over the place? If it was so wildly bouncing around, how could the pirates manage to stand up in this "wildly pitching" sea and wouldn't they be sealed inside? And if the range was forty yards, with a prone shooting position or other very stable position, and, what I suspect were relatively calm flat seas, since that was where they were towing the lifeboat to, would any Seal sniper need a "gycroscopically stabilized" rifle? Most experienced shooters would think that a forty yard shot at a head size target, would be pretty darn well a "gimme" in flat sea conditions. Now I don't mean to indicate that the Seal sniper team didn't do a damn fine job. The timing and coordination of the shot and the possibility that the seas were not dead calm takes some planning and follow through but the actual mechanics of the shot would not seem excessively difficult. If the distance was considerably greater than forty yards, the difficulties could be substantial. Again, it comes down to do you believe the entire press report.

    My guess is that the reporter has never been near a rifle that was actually shooting live ammo much less actually shot one herself. I really doubt that she was anywhere near enough the area to even know what was happening so she had to "fill in the details/create a story" using a few details from some press release or such. Yes, the reporter I saw/heard was a woman. My guess is that any of the women who post or read this group have probably fired more shots before they were 10 years old than this reporter has fired in her entire life.
     
  9. Setterman

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    On the news they were making a big deal out of shooting at 40 yards. A person's head at 40 yards would damn near fill the field of view at 40 yards. Rolling seas and simultaneous shots...... alot more difficult. I get a kick out of listening to the media on this stuff. Obviously, few have ever looked through a scope, let alone fire a rifle.
     
  10. Chango2

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    And this is gross to consider, but anybody who has been varminting will understand: Shots close to the hostage could have hurt or killed the hostage with flying "red and white organic fragments."

    It is pretty obvious that the whole rescue could not have been done without lots of brains and training and practice.
     
  11. mrrem3200

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    I'm an NRA Instructor in Massachusetts and in Massachusetts you need to pass a basic firearms course to get your license for either rifle shotgun and hand guns. One day about 20 years ago a Navy Seal registers of my course; he sat through my class, pretty quiet, I didn’t think much about him or what Seals can do until he shot. Oh my god, his shooting was a sight to behold. I was in awe. He took my Ruger MarkII and obliterated the black out of the target. I had never seen someone shoot so well in my life then or now. I recently read the Lone Survivor and until I read that book I still had no idea of the training and commitment these guys make. Thank god we have them.
     
  12. shannon391

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    At least they didn't have High Powered Shotguns again.
     
  13. comp 1

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    pyrdek, The report I saw said the shot was taken at 75 feet[25 yards]. what I havent been able to determine was if the pirates had stuck their heads out of the lifeboat. One newspaper article this morning said the shots were fired THROUGH an open window in the lifeboat when all 3 pirates' heads were visible at the same time. Not a particularly difficult shot under ANY circumstances,but particularly impressive as to the SIMULTANEOUS TIMING of said shots. I would like to know what happened to the pirates remains just out of curiosity.
     
  14. Ljutic111

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    I too am gratefull for the Seals in bringing this to an end but the future in what happens to the next few high jackings is what bothers me . I believe they will start killing a few of the crew to get their point across that they mean business and want the shipping companies to pay the ransom and they will kill more if the Naval ships get too close . Why can`t the "joint" navies have a protective convoy as they did in WW2 and only travel during day-light hours thru these waters . When any boat with even the threat of piracy coming close should be blown out of the water and no survivers taken aboard . This being done , they will get the idea that piracy isn`t for them unless they want to see the bottom of the sea or be shark bait .
     
  15. Setterman

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    It would be cheaper to have a distress signal system for all the ships in the area. 3 choppers on standby with night sights could deal with any approaching threats. It would probably force night time action by the pirates, but look outs w/ infra red optics could handle that. It would be far cheaper than a 24 hour fleet escort in that large area, and response time would be quicker. The area is huge. Good optics will spot an approaching boat at quite some distance. 2 "Sea Marshalls" per boat would help too.
     
  16. Dr.Longshot

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    I am grateful for the safe release of the Captain, They should never have released any information af how it came to pass, I did not need to know how nor does the American Public nor the Pirates of what happened, our NEWS MEDIA is one of our greatest enemies by releasing information, that info has now cost more Hi-jacking of ships.

    All we needed to know and if that was the Captain is safe.

    What they need to do now is sink the pirates ships and not say anything about it. The Pirates knew the risks and now know the risks even more for being a pirate.

    The cargo ships need to be farther out to sea before making a turn to get the port they need to go to.

    Family boaters need to avoid the area completely, especially if they love their
    family. The recent Sailboat that was hi-jacked and the husband was killed and several pirates were killed by the French, that family should never ever been in that area.

    Use our spy sattelites to inform the navy on ship ositions, they can tell if they are fishing boats.

    Thank you Navy Seals for a job well done.




    Gary Bryant
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  17. JerryP

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    I read they towed the lifeboat to calmer waters. The distance was 25yds in the dark. The three teenage pirates stood up and exposed themselves to the snipers at the same time, pow. These ignorant teenage pirates are funded and directed by Somali warlords. They need to go in and cut the heads off of the snakes to stop the piracy.
     
  18. comp 1

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    I,ve heard it said that the ship owners are fearful that if they arm the crews that the pirates may open fire on the ships with rpg's and some of the cargo is very volatile. What they are forgetting is that the pirates don't want to sink or harm the ship ;they want to hold it for ransom.I don't understand the FEARFUL mentality-it amazes me to think that a huge ship towering several stories above pirate dingys,could not with a few well placed rpg's or heavy machine gun fire from an elevated position not blow the thugs to kingdom come before any harm came to the ship--but then i guess that's not a politically correct thing to suggest.
     
  19. Janet

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    Really proud of those Navy Seals and thankful. Way to go boys!!
     
  20. djpk69

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    WELL....I've heard that SEALS are trained to shoot milk jugs in a "rolling" sea. What I have missed is "how they shot at the precise/same moment" They would have to have excellent communications to pull this off...3 shots at the same time? If not, 1 or 2 pirates would have moved?
     
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