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To carry or not to carry?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by shot410ga, Nov 23, 2010.

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  1. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    "The Gun Is Civilization!" Interesting take and one you don't hear much. . . . . .

    As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago, IL Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a Marine)
    that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a civilized society.

    Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter....

    "The Gun Is Civilization" by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

    So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.

    Thank You
  2. Shooting Jack

    Shooting Jack Active Member

    Jul 29, 2006
    Blackshear, Georgia
    Well written and to the point. That's why I carry. Jackie B.
  3. setool

    setool Member

    Apr 1, 2010
    I have been asked many times, by both sides of the fence, "Why do you carry a gun with you all the time"?

    My answer is direct and sincere... "I carry a gun with the hope that I NEVER have to use it".

    Mark Schneider

    GROCERY GUY Member

    Jun 7, 2010
    Shot410gauge, VERY GOOD!!That says it all. Glenn Allison
  5. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Deplorable Bitter Clinger in Liberal La La Land
    I carry a gun because I chose not to be a victim.
  6. shannon391

    shannon391 Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    A man is not a man unless he can protect his family from those that wish to do harm.
  7. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2009
    I carry because I wish to live. I carry because I wish my love ones to live.
  8. kiv-c

    kiv-c Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    Better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
  9. Savage99Stan

    Savage99Stan Active Member

    Dec 27, 2007
    Central Illinois
    I guess, it would be better to live in a state where they believe you are capable of making rational decisions on how to defend yourself than in one where you're expected to wait patiently for the police while your wife is raped, your house looted, your children killed or molested and you beaten/robbed/killed. I guess I'm comparing most other states to Illinois where we are ruled by the Chicago mob who obviously know better how to control us than we do ourselves.

    Or.............do those making these opressive decisions, not to allow ccw, fear that we'll really take care of business. Oh yeah...some of them are exempted from the law and can carry.

    Welcome to the republik of IL. Glad I can still carry at work and at home and at the farm. Too bad, not legally on the road or anywhere else.

    Oh yeah...we now have a governor, elected by three of 102 counties, who has promised to veto any ccw legislation that comes his way. Chicago should become a separate state. Downstate will be much safer.
  10. DB Bill

    DB Bill Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I don't carry a pistol because I'm expecting a fight. I carry it because I don't want to be suprised by a fight.

    If I were really expecting a fight, I'd be carrying a rifle or a shotgun and I'd have as many of friends along who were also carrying a rifle and/or a shotgun....and of course a lot of ammunition.
  11. Jerbear

    Jerbear TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

    I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

    I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

    I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

    I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

    I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

    I don’t carry a gun because my sex organs are too small. I carry a gun because I want to continue to use those sex organs for the purpose for which they were intended for a good long time to come.

    I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

    I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

    I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

    I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

    I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

  12. Anchorsteam

    Anchorsteam TS Member

    Feb 23, 2010
    ...well said.

    BTW: add CA and Vermont to the 'spinoff' idea.
  13. johnboy

    johnboy Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Why Vermont? Vermont is one of the few states where you can legally pack without a permit.
  14. Robb

    Robb Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    What if? You had a 7 block walk after dark along the river in Cincinnati from hotel to ballgame. Having a CCW I am fine but once to the gym I am illegal. Remember there is a 7 block walk after the game. What would you do?
  15. gun1357

    gun1357 Active Member

    Jun 30, 2006
    I recently gave up my CC permit. I am no longer sure I would make the right "snap" decision on when to use it. It has been 32 plus years since I wore a badge, changed anyone's career plans, etc. They can't still be that mad at me. Ron
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