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Titegroup or Green Dot for caps ?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Bama73, Dec 30, 2011.

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  1. Bama73

    Bama73 Member

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    I have been debating a new load for caps, and was all set to use green Dot, but then I got to looking at the data for Titegroup. It gets the same velocity (1250fps) but with 2 less grains of powder...18.4 for TG @ 11,400 psi vs. 21.5 @ 10,500 psi for GD. Seeing as it's only a few dollars more per 8lb jug it would be more economical than Green Dot. I will be loading in AA hulls with a DRXL 1 1/8 wad, and win primers. I know some say Titegroup was once used in the Nitro 27 shells. Have any of you done a comparison of these 2 powders and any pros or cons to either ?
     
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    I have used both, and been very pleased.
     
  4. scottttocs

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    I have used GD for over 20 years Loading 19.0 grains in AA wads with win primers and 1 1/8 windjammer wad I use in for handicap there slow but hold a great pattern only load that i have ever used
     
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    JMHO,

    Tite group is approaching the upper limits of preasure. I would feel safer in the long run using Green Dot.
    Jim B.
     
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    I have used both, and prefer GD for a variety of reasons. An OEM version of TG is what Remington uses in their Nitro27. I'm okay with those pressures from factory shells, but not for reloads.
     
  7. Borderland

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    Titegroup is a low volume powder and it is easier to have varience in the loads
    from shell to shell
     
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    Borderland, tell us where we can find this variation-velocity, drop accuracy?
    I've loaded plenty of Tightgroup, weighed mucho charges and never noticed significant variation. I never chronographed any but I sometimes believe the charts are lying as recoil seems less with Tightgroup. I gave up on Green Dot many years ago because of drop inconsistencies!!
     
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    Titegroup . Burns well and loads up nice in STS hulls..
     
  10. Borderland

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    Ollie...I should have mentioned that it was my own experience. I am not bashing titegroup but for my machines and possibly my poor technique I get more consistant drops with a bulky powder like greendot.
     
  11. porky

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    I thought that it was something very similisr to titegroup that Remington used for it's nitro 27's before it switched to the new powder. I thought that the recipe was 18.3 grains of titegroup, remington primer in a remington(sts or nitro) hull using a TGT wad with 1 1/8 ounce of lead.
     
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    Don't care for GD but titegroup occupies three cupboards in my garage. Lite to heavy, I love the stuff. Pressures are high, that makes em burn complete. 9000H drops very consistent. There are lower pressure loads too. Bt-100 patterns great with 17.4 grns.
     
  13. short shucker

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    I havfe loaded a lot of Titegroup over the last 5 or so years and like the way it performs. You kinda have to rethink your componets a bit as taller wads are needed for proper crimps (very dense powder). You'll also need to invest in much smaller powder bushings for your press. I never load more than 18.0 grains as it has the load traveling 1235fps (through the chrono) with that much powder.

    I have also loaded with Green Dot and found it to be a very good powder to use. I still prefer Titegroup, but wouldn't have any issues loading with Green Dot.

    ss
     
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    Thats the whole thing about titegroup of the low charge weight it is so dence that there is only Maybe one-two tenth of a drop change at the best it is the most accurate powder I ever used and you can duplicate the sts or nitro loads with it . And the recoil is wonderful 1200 3Dram loads work great for HC and 2 3/4 DR 8's or 7.5 work wonderful for sixteens. Use it you will love it anybody.


    LIGHT RECOIL, NO DIRTY BARRELS.
     
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    I love GreenDot and it's made in the USA. It meters like a dream and produces consistent and clean burning loads
     
  16. Bama73

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    Well one of the things that led me toward possibly trying Titegroup is the fact it is a lil denser. With the AAHS hull and the DRXL 1 1/8 wad and 18 grains of Promo it's a very tight fit. I was thinking I might get a little better fit with the Titegroup. Thanks for the replies, and keep em coming.
     
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    I suppose I could work up a 7/8 ounce load using Promo too for a Handicap load. I guess it comes down to speed/pattern/pressures. For me, I like to take as much of the guess work out of my point of aim. I like a flat shooting gun. I like speed. Will 7/8 ounce loads work? Well, since I don't see anyone using it I guess not. At least not well enough. I may well try a 7/8 load just to 'up' my game. Then again, if I can't duplicate the same speed and pattern with a 1 1/8th load, why bother? Jim
     
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    No one uses a 7/8 oz load? Don't they use a tad less than that in International trap? It's much harder than American trap yet they limit the shot you can use by a lot more. Always has made me wonder
     
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    I found that the TGT-12 wads work the best with Tightgroup,got me to the 27yd line,and is VERY consistent with powder drops,and lighter felt recoil.
    Glenn
     
  20. wolfram

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    The thing I don't really like about Titegroup is that it is a high density powder and you can't really tell by inspection if you somehow got a lite charge or if the occaisional minor dishing of the crimp has to do with normal variations in hull volume. I have been on a few goose chases cutting up otherwise good STS hulls only to find the charge weights were correct. I have also had a few no powder bloopers get past my inspection and I really didn't like that.

    With Green Dot you occupy a larger portion of the hull volume with the powder charge and the minor volume variations that exist within the same make of hull don't have a significant effect on the crimp quality. It is pretty obvious when you have a powder charge problem when using Green Dot. Also Green Dot has a fairly wide range of safe loads where as the pressures go up very quickly with Titegroup.

    What Titegroup is really really good for is pistol ammo.
     
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