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This spending has got to STOP!

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Mar 26, 2010.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Don't the idiots in DC understand what they are doing,,,,or is it that they just don't care???? Sad, very sad....
     
  2. SeldomShoots

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    Agreed. From the article bigdog linked:

    ""The biggest part of the deficit difference is lower tax revenue due to the different economic assumptions," said James R. Horney, a federal-budget analyst at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "The administration assumes GDP and incomes will be higher, and that translates into higher revenues than CBO expects. Relatively small differences in economic assumptions can add up to big differences over 10 years."

    While Ms. MacGuineas agreed that "economic forecasts have a large impact on budgetary projections," she cautioned that such differing assumptions, often called the "rosy scenario," could account for just $350 billion of the 10-year, $1.2 trillion difference between the White House and CBO."

    How can the politicians count on higher incomes and higher revenues if we are not manufacturing in this country and if we're buying all of stuff from China? Seems like the government better work on the economy, manufacturing, jobs and deporting the illegals willing to work for next nothing, if they want to hit the rosy scenario they are banking on.

    John E.
     
  3. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    Here's your chance to vote again - just like they do in Chicago and Phildelphia.
     
  4. crusha

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    Obama can stop those wars anytime he wants.
     
  5. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Hey flinch,,,,what is the cost of the wars???
     
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    This is being done intentionally. Their intent is to break the system, Bankrupt the country, and put their Socialist Utopia in its place.

    If we don't sto the bus and turn around this November we are completely screwed.

    HM
     
  8. Bisi

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    flinch, do you pratice at it, or does it just come naturally?
     
  9. Hoosier Daddy

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    The cost of the wars is inconsequential in relation to the money that Obambam is throwing away. He is an idiot! No wonder Flinch admires him so much!
     
  10. ivanhoe

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    flincher100

    "Rational thought doesn't come easily, does it? You and Halfmile ought to try it sometime."

    Well evidently it doesn't come easily. You haven't posted one yet. The latest is a gem.

    "Might help greatly if we stopped waging two unwinnable wars"

    No war is not winnable if you actually fight it, but the liberals don't want us to humiliate or harm the enemy. They don't wish to take the steps necessary to flush all the rats out of their holes. To make them pay for their crimes. If you are going to win it put the necessary effort it take to git the job done. Stop crying about how those people are being hurt when they didn't do anything. They are allowing the leaders of Al Quada to languish in there countries unmolested by any one but the US.

    Damn it if you are going to win it put up the max effort or get the hell out. If the Max effort had been put up from the beginning the Damn wars would have been over a long time ago.

    Bob Lawless
     
  11. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    If Lord Soetoro's morons spent it on "green jobs", this is what they got.

    "They just finished construction on a new 50 million plant expansion. Then announced that they were going to tear it down (almost completed razing it now).
    It was built with a government grant, too.
    So now the jobs go to China.

    BP Solar lays off 320 workers
    Production being moved out of U.S. to cut costs
    Originally published March 27, 2010

    By Ed Waters Jr.
    News-Post Staff

    Even as the use of solar energy to power homes, offices and other buildings increases, the cost of making panels and other equipment is still high in the U.S.

    It was that cost that led to the shutdown of manufacturing at BP Solar in Frederick on Friday and the layoffs of 320 employees.

    The site, opened in 1981, had once employed more than 500, turning silicon into wafers and then assembling them into solar panels.

    The global market has taken its toll, said Reyad Fezzani, BP Solar CEO. The company is moving production to other countries.[China]

    "There is a demand for the product all over the world," Fezzani said Friday in a telephone interview from the company's headquarters in California. "We will do that at lower-cost locations, through a range of third-party manufacturers. We have a joint partnership with some in India and China."

    The CEO said the decision to end production at the Frederick site, known for a roof filled with solar panels that is visible from I-70, was "very difficult for us. We deeply regret what the decision will have on Frederick employees."

    The plant's manufacturing equipment will be sold or decommissioned, Fezzani said.

    About 110 employees will remain at the building on Solarex Court, working in sales, marketing, business support, and research and development.

    State and federal leaders tried to help BP Solar, but it wasn't enough to overcome market conditions.

    Maryland's congressional delegation worked to secure about $11 million in federal stimulus tax credits for BP Solar last year.[actually 50 million]

    But even that was not enough, since the plan was for BP to invest about $22 million as part of the stimulus deal, said Delegate Sue Hecht, a Frederick Democrat who had advocated for the deal.

    "What they said last night was when they relooked (at) it, the market had changed so drastically that they just couldn't make it work," Hecht said.

    The company will no longer be receiving those credits.

    Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) directed state rapid response teams to immediately begin reaching out to laid-off workers.

    "While Maryland's unemployment rate remains below the national average, today's announcement is a reminder for all of us that families in our state are not immune from the global economic downturn," O'Malley said.

    Employees in Frederick will be given three months' pay and benefits, as well as severance and outplacement benefits.[don't forget the handshake]

    "Our main concern is for the 320 employees and the city and county's Workforce Services stand ready to help in re-employment," said Richard Griffin, director of the city's Department of Economic Development. "BP Solar has been a long-standing employer in the city, the facility has been a source of pride for the community. I'm hopeful we can retain the R&D center and have a presence in the community."

    Laurie Holden, director of Workforce Services, said her staff was prepared, even if a BP Solar employee walked in the door on Friday.

    "We have set up six days over the next three weeks to meet with them letting them know how to file for unemployment and our re-employment services," Holden said.

    This is the second-largest layoff her office has handled. The biggest was the closure of Alcoa Eastalco Works with more than 600 unemployed workers. Holden said she has already spoken with officials at the Maryland Department of Labor, Licensing and Regulation on potential funding to add temporary personnel to help handle displaced workers.

    Bernie Kohn, spokesman for the department, said its Rapid Response Team would be in Frederick for the next three weeks helping BP Solar employees who lost their jobs.

    Laurie Boyer, director of the county's Office of Economic Development, said her main concern is also the displaced workers. But she said she understands the economic pressures faced by a global company.

    "BP Solar is competing with companies with costs (that are) a lot lower," Boyer said. "I know it was a difficult decision for BP Solar, but I hope it makes the company stronger to compete in the global market. As the market grows, that could mean the company's R&D will grow."

    Fezzani said the cost of production is a global issue, not just local, and complimented the city, county and state for their support of BP Solar over the years.

    "We shut down plants in Australia and Spain," Fezzani said.

    The company's goal is to see more solar energy systems deployed, he said, but to do that the cost has to come down for the consumer. He said the company envisions a 50 percent increase in growth this year, but that is through production at lower cost."
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    flinch, I am still waiting for an answer or are you afraid to put up your number so the comparison can be made of the way YOU espouse to hate that your leader STILL spends money on,,,,let's see he was going to be out in what 6, 12, 18 months????
     
  13. GW22

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    bigdogtx makes a good point, Obongo was going to do a lot of stuff that didn't quite pan out as promised. There's a big difference between running one's mouth on the campaign trail, having never run so much as a Kool-Aid stand, and what you can atually do after you get elected and the men in the dark sunglasses bring you up to speed on what's really going on in the world. Then there's the stuff he just knowingly lied about in order to get elected.

    Nobody can deny, however, that Obongo is making major strides toward the socialization of America -- which was obviously his real intent in the first place (obvious at least to those bright enough to read between the lines/lies). Remember -- we elected a self-proclaimed "Citizen of the WORLD." By referring to himself that way he was openly telling you -- in advance -- that his priorities do not come from the perspective of a citizen of the United States America.

    The citizens of this country got exacty what they deserve for allowing this to happen. Now the best thing that smart Americans can hope for is that the destruction caused by the irresponsible behavior of the President and his rubber stamp Democratic congress is great enough to get the attention of even the ignorant American electorate, but not so bad that it actually causes an outright financial collapse of America.

    The problem however (pay close attention here) is that most of the devastation caused by what this president is doing will not fully manifest itself until he has long left office. In 7-10 years, when we have passed the financial tipping point, and Obongo has released his book explaining why it was so necessary to hide his Islamic faith from the voters and why he felt it necessary to Europeanize America, it might be too late to recover. Besides, more than half the population will be on the public doll by then. As the old saying goes, "When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always rely on the support of Paul." Support = votes.

    -Gary
     
  14. birdogs

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    Flincher is right! Let's get out of Afganistan and let's also stop pressuring Iran about nukes. Then, when the Taliban come back to power in Afganistan and give Bin Laden safe haven, he can get the bomb from his friends in Iran and nuke the US. It won't matter because we will have fully paid health care. All Obama needs to do is add is free burial.
     
  15. highflyer

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    Flincher, didn't Hussein promise to bring the troops home. It is a year now and it hasn't happened yet. We are in agreement on one thing. The greatest threat to our freedom is not in the Middle East. It is in Washington D.C. running our government.
     
  16. SeldomShoots

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    Well I'll be darned highflyer, we agree on something, the greatest threat is not the middle east but rather our government, assuming you mean our government now and over the course of the last 25 years.

    I have a belief that pulling troops, might not be the worst case scenario, provided we keep around the clock air support to cover massive numbers of sniper/spotter teams. We could let the rats (feral Afghanis and Iraquis) come out of their holes, let them get comfortable in their environment, note their locations for an air strike and start picking them off when the opportunity presented itself. If a civilian gets it by mistake, its sad, but reality and just a part of warfare. Keep the media out of it, and that way no one has to worry about it. Sometimes what we don't know won't hurt us. When our governement learns to turn our military loose regardless of world opinion then we can truly get this war overwith. Teddy Roosevelt didn't seem to worry too much about world opinion.


    John E.
     
  17. highflyer

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    I found out this weekend that I am the rich. You wouldn't know it by my house, my car or my paycheck, but I owe the government hundreds more after the amount they already stole out of my paycheck. Glad I can help those living off our corrupt government. Glad I can help Hussein and his crooked friends by more votes with my money. I would rather take the money and buy a new gun.
     
  18. Paladin

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    flincher,,why not address the real reason for spending?

    Liberals and Barney Frank, who's 'friend' worked for FM and benefited greatly.


    Bush had repeated concerns of predatory lending practices and deregulation.

    "According to an article by Kathleen Day in the Oct. 8, 2003, Washington Post, Frank opposed giving the Bush administration the right to approve or disapprove business activities that “could pose risk to the taxpayers.” He told the Post he worried the Treasury Department “would sacrifice activities that are good for consumers in the name of lowering the companies’ market risks.”

    Just a month before, Frank had aggressively thwarted reform efforts by the Bush administration. He told The New York Times on Sept. 11, 2003, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s problems were “exaggerated,” a gross miscalculation some five years later with costs estimated to be in the hundreds of billions."


    Liberals always claim it's someone else's fault. Why not admit your ill-reputes made a giant mistake? By the way ---seems to me, you people still have Barney Frank in office. How dumb can you people be?
     
  19. Paladin

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    "Just the facts on the Fiscal Year End: The 2009 fiscal year for the federal government ended 2 days ago. The deficit through the first 11 months was $1.4 trillion, 43 cents of every dollar spent was borrowed, and the national debt is now $11.77 trillion which is a 35% increase since Democrats took control of Congress in 2006. More debt has been accumulated in those 33 months than in the entire period of the nation's history from 1789 to 1989. You can draw your own conclusions, they are pretty obvious. This is unsustainable." John Campbell, Congressman - California
     
  20. wireguy

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    I just bought $1200 of reloading components and a beautiful barely used BT-99. I don't think I can stop.
     
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