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Think about it...

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by GW22, Apr 27, 2011.

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  1. GW22

    GW22 Active Member

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    Yeah, "Think about it" is right. Let's do that...

    When you subsidize honey, you get more honey.

    When you subsidize corn, you get more corn.

    Guess what you get when you subsidize being "poor."

    -Gary
     
  2. below 0

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    I think they used to call this Socialism..
     
  3. GW22

    GW22 Active Member

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    Yes, Ryan could be part of the solution. The question is whether we've already passed a tipping point -- there may now be so many people on the government dole that anyone sincerely looking to cut spending will be vilified. You can't make serious cuts without hitting Social Security, Medicare or Defense. That's a tough sell with how soft and "entitled" this country has become.

    -Gary
     
  4. Mapper

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    Yeah, GW22, the problem has escalated to about unmanagable proportions. Lots of reasons, but mostly politicians buying votes. Here in SW Michigan we have several religious groups doing their best but they are nearly overwhelmed by our bad economic conditions and increased numbers of needy.
     
  5. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    rpeerless:

    Your basic premise is consistent with a socially conservative view point. 'Conservative' in this context is often but not necessarily related to political conservatism. It's the notion that private charities and the faith based community in particular, are responsible for feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, etc. As you know, people of faith embrace this "serve the needy" mandate because it's a fundamental tenet of most religions.

    The problem with your premise centers on who defines the role of government.
    Liberals and progressives (progressive is synonomous with socialist) believe it is ABSOLUTELY the role of government to provide for everyone's needs from cradle to grave. That's why we have a nanny state.

    These groups differ on many issues. For example, faith based folks donate
    THEIR OWN time and their own money to provide services. Liberals tax the "wealthy" and hire government employees to provide social services.

    Here's another distinction. Assistance from private and faith based groups carry an implication of responsibility for persons receiving help. Two quotes come to mind:

    1. The Lord helps those who help themselves.

    2. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

    The only expectation lib dems have for those on the dole is to vote democrat.

    It all reminds me of an old joke...

    Five thousand years ago, Moses said, "Hitch up your camel, pick up your shovel, and mount your ass. I will lead you to the promised land."

    Five thousand years later, Franklin Roosevelt said, "Light up a Camel, lay down your shovel and sit on your ass. This is the promised land."

    Today, if you're employed in the private sector and are self-supporting, Obummer will confiscate your camel, tax your shovel, kick your ass and tell you the promised land is for slackers.

    sissy
     
  6. birdogs

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    There is something you all need to realize. It has been a huge secret which liberals have guarded with their lives.

    The worst emotion and the worst word in the liberals lexicon is "gratitude"! If a church or an individual gives to a person in need, that person will be grateful to their benefactor. Liberals feel that The recipient should not have to experience this abhorent emotion. After all, everyone is "entitled" to a home, food, color televions, etc.

    If these things are provided by the government instead of private charity, the recipients will not have to feel or exhibit gratitude. After all, they is "entitled"! Now the recipients can be manipulated and controlled by the government which proves all of their needs without them even having to say "thank you".

    There is yet another liberal secret word/emothion but, that is for another day.
     
  7. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    Is our nation at a point where we need to redefine the roles of Church and big government?

    Yes absolutely but 'we' need to confine our efforts to the problem of big government. The role of the church is up to the good people directly involved with those organizations.
     
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    Hmmm,interesting,,the one fact missing is that Chucrh involvement has steadily declined.The Christian faith is losing popularity at an alarming rate.I believe it's been documented that approximitly 100 preachers a month are leaving the faith also.Coupled with the government situation it is a TOTAL MESS.Doesn't surprise me,when the majority of a nation has turned it's back on God and it's founding believes,things tend to happen.Sooo,maybe we should focus on fixiing the belief problem in our own sectors first,then move on toward government fixing.

    Doug H.
     
  9. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    rpeerless:

    Surely you're mistaken. I just can't imagine "the wrong Christian message" or "leftist political messages" coming from the pulpits of mainline Protestant Christian denominations.

    Oops, silly me. Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Obummer's spiritual leader for 26 years, was pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ for 36 years.

    sissy
     
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