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These words of the Second Admendment mean what?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by J.Fred.Muggs, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. J.Fred.Muggs

    J.Fred.Muggs TS Member

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    The second and third words to be exact -

    "Well Regulated"
     
  2. trapperwads

    trapperwads Well-Known Member

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    Say mr j fred muggs do you think we ought to cut off foreign aid to any country which may eventually give political asuylum to barack?
     
  3. timberfaller

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    Practiced and maintained were the dictionary meanings of the time.

    "Militia" was anyone between the age of 18 and 45. "White male" was inserted when they knew they couldn't offend the southern states and their support of the Constitution was needed.

    You need to keep and find "OLD" dictionary's as the "revisionist" have attacked them also as they have History books.
     
  4. Rick Barker

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    Muggs,

    I posted a thread about the Intent of the Second Amendment here a couple of days ago.

    You should read it, including what well regegulated meant when the Constitution was written.

    Regulated also means "practiced" in a skill.



    looks like we got another anti gunner just joined up today folls.
     
  5. Rick Barker

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    Here you go, click on above link. Notice the last paragraph.



    And by the way, Congress declared back in 1792 that a milita is all able bodied men between 18 and 45, so this group of people are "milita" whether they know it or not.
     
  6. timberfaller

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    Except for the "mentally deranged"!

    Funny, they had the same problem even back then!!!!
     
  7. Stl Flyn

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    Let's just say, it is not a properly functioning militia, or is not practiced in skill. Who determines this, and what are the guidelines to a properly functioning, and practiced militia, if it indeed refers to each individual citizen of the United States? If this Militia is indeed not a "Well Regulated Militia", what, or whom decides what is to be done, and when?
     
  8. Rick Barker

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    Read Article 8 of the Constitution.


    If a person does not know how to load his weapon, clean it, maintain it, fire it and hit something with it, he is not well regulated in the use of it.


    "The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it."


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    look at this way. Years from now, someone born today, reads something that says "What is up with that" Are they going to have any idea what that will mean, if they have not studied the langauges and discovered that about this time "whatsup" is being used in the colloquial.
     
  9. Goozer

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    I was educated at a time before the teachers union turned the public schools into government union schools . We studied Civics or government , Bill of Rights, required to learn all the Amendments . What I remember was the Militia was a body of citizens . Citizens who were enrolled for military service, or an eligible pool of people for emergencies . It did not have to be an active standing army . The term " Well Regulated " could be that the Militia was well practiced with their drills and weapons . Almost like the modern day Swiss with their citizen army where every household has a military style assault rifle . The Militia was to protect against foreign and domestic enemies . The founding fathers argued over which amendment, the first or second should be listed first . They deemed these two amendments that important as a safeguard against an American Government that could become tyrannical . They felt that the government should fear the people . We need to have full automatics weapons and the government should be forced to use revolvers and single shot rifles . Long live the consent of the goverened .
     
  10. Stl Flyn

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    "If a person does not know how to load his weapon, clean it, maintain it, fire it and hit something with it, he is not well regulated in the use of it."

    So what happens if they, or the militia is not well regulated? Who determines that?

    It really bring to light the saying, This gun is dirtier than chit, you should not own a gun! Or, You can't hit chit, give me that! LOL
     
  11. Rick Barker

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    The States do. ".....reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, the Authority of training the Militia....."


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    From Article 8 of the Constitution describing the powers and duties of Congress:

    "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

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    Again, the 2nd Amendment deals with two enities. One is the Militia which is a right of the State and the second is the people, who have the right to bear arms. And the people make up the milita, simply by being between the age of 18-45 and able bodied. I am sure they would even take old farts like me, if Iran were somehow able to sneak a nuke into NYC and DC and take them both out.
     
  12. billyboy07208

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    Of the states that have a right to bear arms [most do],all of them are based on the federal version.
    By reading them,you will find more specific detail on what its all about.
    I will direct anybody who cares to read the following.



    http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/states.rkba.html
     
  13. Rick Barker

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    Use the "Website URL:" box for your website address which is above the message box where you compose your post.
     
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    From Article 8 of the Constitution describing the powers and duties of Congress:

    "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

    This sounds very much like they are talking about the militia of the United States Armed Forces. "discipline prescribed by Congress"
     
  15. Stl Flyn

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    If "well" could mean, water resource, get better feeling, or thoroughly, and "Regulated" could mean, restricted, prepared, overseen, or operating in proper working order, then should we not look at what every word meant back then in its context?

    Are these words called homographs?
     
  16. Rick Barker

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    Stl flynn


    The 6th Amendment with some exceptions as those named therein, provides that a person is entitled to a speedy and public trial by jury.

    Even though that amendment does not say this right "shall ot be infringed" do you think it would be okay, if Congress put additional limitations on that right?
     
  17. wireguy

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    I think a good metaphor for well regulated, in this context, would be a wall thermostat in a building. Once it has been set, it doesn't need outside input to do it's job and do it correctly. It is SELF regulating, fully capable of doing exactly what it is intended to do without oversight from any outside agency. It is regulated from within.
     
  18. crusha

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    The Supreme Court has already settled this. It's an individual right, not a collective one, directly connected with and deriving from the individual's right to protect oneself, not strictly having to do with any kind of communal participation in a militia to protect society at large.


    548/Schneep/J. Fred: David knows your game, and changing your name is just going to get you canned again.
     
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