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The story behind the Bill of Rights

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  1. Neil Winston

    Neil Winston Well-Known Member

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    You may want to skip the poem, but the historical note below is well worth reading. I hate to lob a fat pitch like this right over the plate for Pat Ireland, but here it is.

    Neil
     
  2. Hauxfan

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    Thanks, Neil, I had heard of George Mason University, but did not know anything about the man.

    Hauxfan!
     
  3. tomk2

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    "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them"


    ------------- George Mason
     
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    Neil, George Mason even with the university named after him, has never gotten the fame he so well deserves.

    The story of the U.S. Constitution is not well taught in our schools. The arguments among the states weren't settled, even with the passage of the Bill of Rights. In a period of about seventy years, these inter-state arguments led to the Civil War.

    Though it's a difficult read at times, everyone should read the Federalist Papers. This series of essays really explains the sources of the various articles.

    Thanks for the link to George Mason.

    PS - George Mason University has on its faculty, Walter E. Williams, the famous economist. He is a frequent sub on Rush Limbaugh's show.

    Best,
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  5. Brian in Oregon

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    A glaring factual error: "And so he put together Virginia's "Declaration of Rights," the first government document in history that specified the absolute rights of individuals."

    Actually, part of the Magna Carta specified some basic rights for individuals, the most important being the writ of habeas corpus.

    BTW, the Pennsylvania delegation wanted hunting rights additionally added to the Second Amendment, but this was rejected since it was felt that without a king, there would not be the situation common in europe that all game belonged to the crown. This is a little known but clear piece of evidence that the Second Amendment ain't about hunting rights.
     
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    George Mason clearly had much influence on Mr. Jefferson when he wrote the Declaration of Independence and on Mr. Madison (neighbor of Mr. Jefferson) when he wrote most of the Constitution. John Locke influenced all three of them. The Virginia delegation would not approve the Constitution without the assurance that the First Ten Amendments (Bill of Rights) would be put forward expediently.

    George Mason is a well know historical figure by any graduate of a Virginia Middle School.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    Thanks, Neil, I had heard of George Mason University, but did not know anything about the man.

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    "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them"


    ------------- George Mason
     
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    Neil, George Mason even with the university named after him, has never gotten the fame he so well deserves.

    The story of the U.S. Constitution is not well taught in our schools. The arguments among the states weren't settled, even with the passage of the Bill of Rights. In a period of about seventy years, these inter-state arguments led to the Civil War.

    Though it's a difficult read at times, everyone should read the Federalist Papers. This series of essays really explains the sources of the various articles.

    Thanks for the link to George Mason.

    PS - George Mason University has on its faculty, Walter E. Williams, the famous economist. He is a frequent sub on Rush Limbaugh's show.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
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    A glaring factual error: "And so he put together Virginia's "Declaration of Rights," the first government document in history that specified the absolute rights of individuals."

    Actually, part of the Magna Carta specified some basic rights for individuals, the most important being the writ of habeas corpus.

    BTW, the Pennsylvania delegation wanted hunting rights additionally added to the Second Amendment, but this was rejected since it was felt that without a king, there would not be the situation common in europe that all game belonged to the crown. This is a little known but clear piece of evidence that the Second Amendment ain't about hunting rights.
     
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    George Mason clearly had much influence on Mr. Jefferson when he wrote the Declaration of Independence and on Mr. Madison (neighbor of Mr. Jefferson) when he wrote most of the Constitution. John Locke influenced all three of them. The Virginia delegation would not approve the Constitution without the assurance that the First Ten Amendments (Bill of Rights) would be put forward expediently.

    George Mason is a well know historical figure by any graduate of a Virginia Middle School.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    Some how, we all knew that Pat would jump on here.
     
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    Your footnote about hunting rights, if true, doesn't prove that the Second Amendment isn't about hunting; to a left-wing reading, it simply proves that the framers believed the actual threat to hunting rights wasn't a serious one, therefore the "extra" note wasn't needed.


    "We" know what the Second Amendment is really about...but I sure wouldn't trumpet the above point too loudly to those who don't...the fact that hunting rights was even _discussed_ in connection with the 2A (even if later dropped) does _not_ help our cause at all, and is just grist in the Antis' mill.
     
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    Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution, defining the powers of Congress states: "To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;".

    There was real fear of maintaining standing armies in the new Republic. The Founding Fathers realized this, and knew that militia could be readily raised to provide security for the nation. They only had to look to Europe to see the inherent problem with standing armies. By limiting appropriations to two years, they insured, at least in the early history of the Republic, that there wouldn't be any adventuresome presidencies.

    In order to maintain militias, there would have to be language in the Constitution, to insure its perpetuity. Ergo, the language of the Second Amendment.

    However, as we've seen, the expansion of the United States mandated that paid soldiers would be needed to secure the new territories and maintain security at the borders.

    Best,
    Dennis
     
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