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The Raid on Osama Bin Laden, The Critique.

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Shooting Jack, May 26, 2011.

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  1. Shooting Jack

    Shooting Jack Active Member

    Jul 29, 2006
    Blackshear, Georgia
    don't know who the author is - - Jackie B.

    A very reasoned critique of the Raid. The desire (and need) for politicians
    to" grandstand" along with the insatiable pressure from the media makes it
    almost impossible to maintain any semblance of "need to know".

    How could this administration allow the spectacular military raid that
    killed Osama Bin Laden be marginalized by the massive security breach
    (immediate disclosure of all information about this raid to the world) that
    served only to enhance the poll numbers of a president responsible for our
    national security?

    By spilling his guts to the world Obama grasped defeat from the jaws of

    Obama could have gotten all the glory he wanted if he just could have given
    the military and intelligence community only a few more days to exploit the
    "Mother Lode" of information we gained during this raid before he had to
    brag to the world about his heroic deeds!

    The more I hear about the Osama Bin Laden raid the more concerned I become
    about the motives and the competence of this administration. Let me tell you

    The first thing we should be concerned about with this massive outflowing of
    information about the raid is our lost opportunity to dramatically disrupt
    the al-Qaida organization.

    It is now being reported that we got the "Mother Lode" of information during
    the raid.

    For the head of a terrorist organization using only couriers to communicate
    with others it seems axiomatic that this is what we should have expected.
    The three types of information we got most probably include:

    #1 - The locations of Osama Bin Laden's immediate subordinates (the people
    most likely in line to take over as the leaders of al-Qaida upon the death
    of Osama Bin Laden. couriers had to have this information).

    #2 - Planning information on future operations (details about all major
    terrorist attacks planned for the foreseeable future).

    #3 - Misc. matters necessary for al-Qaida to function (financing,
    communications, continuity of operation plans, organizational structures,
    strength, recruiting, training and standard operating procedures).

    Common sense also tells us several other things that anyone could predict
    before the operation took place:

    #1- If we said absolutely nothing after the raid no one in al-Qaida would
    know what happened. No one in al-Qaida, except the couriers, apparently knew
    where Osama Bin Laden lived. The Pakistan government, or any individuals who
    happened to know, could not admit they knew he lived there... at least in
    the media. If they protested the incursion and the downed helicopter we
    could apologize for a failed operation or whatever. If anyone knew Osama Bin
    Laden lived there they wouldn't know whether he got away or anything at all.
    unless we spilled our guts, as we have done about the operation.

    #2 - We would have a short period of time to exploit the "mother lode" of
    information we had just seized. The courier set-up Osama Bin Laden used
    would not work as the couriers were dead. It would take some time for
    al-Qaida members to find out what happened. When they heard anything they
    would not know much for some time and there would be a lot of doubt and
    confusion throughout the organization. If and when they did learn something
    definitive there would be a mass flurry of communication and our electronic
    surveillance apparatus would get some great information and leads. A lot of
    good things would happen. In contrast a lot of bad things will happen
    because we have laid everything out in great detail in the media that is
    going to every al-Qaida member in real time!

    #3 - We could dramatically disrupt the entire al-Qaida organization in a
    number of very substantive ways in a very short time. We could do many
    things in a very short time to exploit a lot of this information before
    anyone in al-Qaida could react, such as take out all the likely leaders to
    succeed Osama Bin Laden, seize al-Qaida funds around the world, disrupt or
    kill people in cells on the verge of committing terrorist attacks, etc. They
    wouldn't know what happened until it was all over!

    I cannot imagine any of our military leaders or the people in the CIA not
    recommending to the president to keep his mouth shut for at least a short
    time to allow time to see what info we had and see what we could do before
    all the al-Qaida personnel relocated, transferred all the money out of
    existing accounts, etc. If our military and intelligence leaders didn't make
    such recommendations they should be fired.

    The country should be outraged at Obama throwing our country under the bus
    for a little good press and about a 9% immediate gain in the polls! Besides,
    he could have gotten even better press if he was smart enough to have held
    up this information for about two months and then been able to tell the

    #1 - Osama Bin Laden was killed in a spectacular military raid, and.

    #2 - We have killed the five most likely terrorists in the line of
    succession to take over al-Qaida, and.

    #3 - 80% of al-Qaida financial assets have been seized, and.

    #4 - We have disrupted four major future terrorist attacks against ourselves
    and our allies in our war against terrorism, and etc., etc.!

    The second thing we should be concerned about with this massive outflowing
    of information about the raid is the dramatic increase in al-Qaida's
    operational capabilities to avoid our future intelligence gathering

    Every day more of the details are put out about how we got the information
    that led to the death of Osama Bin Laden. We are also telling them exactly
    where, when and how they screwed up or had a lapse in security that let us
    break the case.

    All this information is a wonderful guide to them on what they need to
    change to eliminate detection. If we think it was hard to track down their
    leaders before, wait until we try it the next time. Let us look at what
    happened the last time a president wanted to raise his poll numbers a bit.
    One of the reasons we had such a hard time finding Osama Bin Laden this time
    and a major reason we got surprised on 9-11 was because President Clinton
    disclosed that we were monitoring Osama Bin Laden's satellite cell phone
    about the time of the Monica saga. After that small disclosure Osama Bin
    Laden stopped using his satellite phone and all electronic devices. He then
    went to the courier system and allowed few if anyone except a trusted
    courier even to know his location. After that almost all information from
    him completely dried up. If this disclosure of highly classified information
    had not happened we might have known about 9-11 in advance, the twin towers
    might be standing and 3,000 lives might not have been lost, not to even
    mention the cost of the wars that followed. As they said during WWII, Loose
    lips sink ships!

    The Bottom Line:

    Because Obama couldn't wait for a very short time to see his poll numbers go
    up and brag about a military success at a later time:

    #1 - Al Qaida gained valuable information that will provide them time to
    modify compromised operational plans and reposition leaders and assets.

    #2 - The US was prevented from scoring as decisive and extremely damaging a
    blow against al-Qaida as would otherwise been possible without this security

    #3 - Al-Qaida was provided valuable information about their operational
    security failures.

    #4 - All of the above will most assuredly enhance terrorist operations
    against us in the future at the cost of many American lives.

    It is sickening to me to see Obama basking in success when he apparently has
    been an impediment rather than an asset to the country. He has ripped the
    possibility of one of the most successful military operations we have had in
    recent times from the jaws of victory and greatly diminished the brilliant
    efforts of our outstanding military force!

    The country needs to know the truth about what could have been.
  2. sliverbulletexpress

    sliverbulletexpress TS Member

    Jul 1, 2009
    Obama, the CIC, making a speech to take credit for a secret raid as soon as possible doesn't have a damn thing to do with the First Amendment. You lack even a fundamental understanding of the Bill of Rights. Let me explain, the Bill of Rights affirms the God given rights of the PEOPLE, it doesn't give rights to the government.
  3. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    doggai,,,,just worry about "your" country and we will worry about "ours"....
  4. Sam Ogle

    Sam Ogle Member

    Dec 13, 2006
    So, if our President had shown up on an aircraft carrier with a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," would that have been acceptable to your ilk?

    I'm a middle of the roader, but I have become very tired of the endless hate ranting of the black hating far righties who scream at every thing this man does.

    He is my president.

    Sam Ogle, Lincoln, NE
  5. likes-to-shoot

    likes-to-shoot Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    """just worry about your country and we will worry about ours"""

    I friggin guarantee you that this is not """"JUST YOUR COUNTRY""" I don't give a damn what side of the political crap ANYONE believes in. If you don't think there can be a difference of opinion YOU might want to rethink of what KIND of country YOU want to live in.
  6. sernv99

    sernv99 Active Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    more Obama-Bin Laden b.s.....UBL is dead, time to move on and capture/kill the other bad guys.
  7. W.P.T.

    W.P.T. TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Osama Obama said there ain't no more bad guys, he got all of them on that cold rainy night in Afganistan ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
  8. grntitan

    grntitan Well-Known Member

    Mar 25, 2009
    IL(The gun friendly Southern Part)
    To quote the great Energizer Bunny "It just keeps going and going and going........."
  9. SeldomShoots

    SeldomShoots Active Member

    Oct 25, 2006
    Man, this is better than reading the covers of the tabloids in the supermarket checkout aisle.


    P.S. my favorite has always been "Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot"
  10. capulona

    capulona TS Member

    Nov 28, 2010
    Here's my own personal take. All politics are local. Maybe if we take the time to educate (edumacate?) our young people instead of wasting our time/energy on these posts, it might actually make a difference in the future- that includes me. Time to sign off!
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