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The Old Champions

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by deckart, Mar 27, 2008.

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  1. deckart

    deckart TS Member

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    Still looking thru old Trap and Skeet digests from the sixties. I notice that the champs for the 50 and 60's used Model 12s and the like. The guns look stock from the pictures. (some had Monte Carlo stocks) Does anyone out there know what, if any, modifications they made to their guns?? I saw no elevated ribs, adjustable stocks, screw-in chokes etc. Thanks. deckart
     
  2. Dickgshot

    Dickgshot Well-Known Member

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    The only modification was that they used to bend the barrel so the gun would shoot high. Top shooters are still doing that.
     
  3. shutnlar

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    All the adjustable stuff has come in only the last 30 or so years, thats why they didn't have it.

    Larry
     
  4. nipper

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    Ok if they didnt have it avaliable but still shot to be a champion,then why now do we just have to have all the extra after market items placed on a shotgun??

    Bill
     
  5. shutnlar

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    Nipper- Because we can!

    Larry
     
  6. Jawhawker

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    nipper, on a gun such as a Model 12, besides bending the barrel which several did, the stock could be adjusted via using card board shims between it and where it butted into the receiver or it could be sanded on the front end to add cast or raise it a bit. Also it did not take take the precise scoring then that it does today. It takes ever target to stay on top now where one had alittle cushion in days gone by.
     
  7. sako2115

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    Some used Hydro Coil stocks, Simmons ribs, and, I believe, Timney triggers on the M-12. Is that combo any worse or better than the other classic, a fixed choke TM-1. I think not.

    Remember that there were more stockmakers and gunsmiths around in those days.

    Not well known is that there were some factory "race" guns from Winchester; Model 12's with handpicked parts. The barrels for those threw the best patterns; they were picked when the tooling, i.e., reamer was sharpest (to make final setting on choke), and some put aside for "friends of the company" to shoot. A friend of mine has one of those; he shot it for years, he obtained it through a (then) factory shooter who "pulled strings". He says it patterns well over 80%. Gun has special markings stamped into receiver and barrel.

    Now "ain't that as cool as a TM 1 for example?"
     
  8. phirel

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    Our equipment has improved (guns, stocks, target colors, voice release, shells, traps) and average scores have gone up. Also both my automobiles and my computers are better than they were in 1960.

    Pat Ireland
     
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