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The governing elite vs the rest of us....

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Brian in Oregon, Jun 15, 2010.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    JUNE 9, 2010<br>
    The Governing Elite vs. the Rest<br>
    Despite unemployment and downed services, federal employees seem to be on the up-and-up

    BY DR. MARK W. HENDRICKSON

    The truly revolutionary American idea of government as the servant of the people might be fading away. Many of today's so-called "civil servants" are a protected, privileged class. While Middle America struggles through a difficult recession, a lot of government employees have lived on the gravy train.

    Here are some facts to buttress that assertion:

    Since the recession began in 2008, a period during which approximately eight million private-sector workers lost their jobs and millions more saw their income decline, the number of federal employees is increasing at a 7 percent per-year rate and their income is holding up quite nicely. According to the Cato Institute, the average federal worker's pay and benefits now approximates $120,000 per year, or roughly double the compensation of the average private-sector employee. Factor out the lavish government fringe benefits and look at salary only, and the civil servant is still far ahead: $71,197 vs. $49,935.

    During this recession, the percentage of federal employees earning annual base salaries above $100,000 increased from 14 to 19 percent. The number of Defense Department employees being paid more than $150,000 per year increased from 1,868 to 10,100. Before, the Department of Transportation had one employee with a salary above $170,000 but now has 1,690.

    As a gesture toward fiscal responsibility, President Obama reduced what was supposed to be a 2.4 percent raise in federal salaries this year to 2.0 percent. That still compares quite favorably to the zero-percent cost-of-living increase that Social Security recipients' have received.

    Also on tap are handsome pay raises for the employees of the Federal Housing Administration. The FHA has distinguished itself recently by incurring a loss of $54 billion in a mismanaged home-loan business. And of course we can't neglect to mention the CEOs of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, who have been cleared to receive as much as $6 million in salary this year while being subsidized to the tune of more than $100 billion in monetary transfusions from the Treasury and the Fed.

    Other federal agencies might not be losing money by the tens and hundreds of billions of dollars in such an obvious way, but money appropriated for them by Congress still seems to vanish into a black hole. For example, statistics from 2006 showed that if all the federal dollars spent by antipoverty programs had been given directly to Americans below the poverty line, a poor family of four would have received $67,000. The actual aid received by poor Americans is less than half that amount. What explains such glaring inefficiency? Most of those funds are consumed by the cushy pay packages of the army of bureaucrats who administer those programs. And let's not even get into the Department of Agriculture, which has one bureaucrat for every nine or 10 full-time farmers.

    The preferential treatment received by government employees was also reflected in how last year's stimulus money has been spent. According to ProPublica, the District of Columbia received more than four times as much money per capita as the average of the 15 states that received the most money. (Oh, did I mention that members of the Pelosi/Reid Congress voted themselves a 6 percent increase in funds for their staffs and other support?)

    It isn't just the federal government workers who have an unusually lucrative setup. Gov. Christie of New Jersey recently announced his intention to reform the pension plan for the Garden State's public employees. Consider an incredible fact: According to Christie, a 49-year-old state employee who had contributed $124,000 toward his retirement is eligible to receive $3.3 million in pension payments and another half-million dollars in heath care benefits throughout the rest of his life; and a retired teacher who had put $62,000 toward her pension and not a penny for health care is scheduled to receive $1.4 million in pensions and $215,000 in health care benefits. Taxpayers pay for this.

    This story is repeated over and over in a number of states that now teeter on the brink of bankruptcy due to billions of dollars of obligations to state employees. It's hard to refer to these people -- many of whom, of course, are wonderful, decent human beings -- as civil "servants" when their salaries and/or benefits are so much higher than those of the taxpayers who pay for the generous compensation packages of their government "servants."

    Abraham Lincoln's idea of government "of the people, by the people, for the people" seems to have become government of the governing elite, by the governing elite, and for the governing elite. The current imbalance can't continue. Something's got to give.

    Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson is an adjunct faculty member, economist, and contributing scholar with The Center for Vision & Values at Grove City College.
     
  2. chiefjon

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    Brian,

    I read most of your threads because, when they deal with firearms related issues, I give you credit for knowing what you are talking about. However, I am adding to this thread, while it is new and at the top of the list, to encourage anyone else who reads it, not to respond...but to let it die as quickly as possible.

    A few years ago this site was almost ruined by hysterical threads that were completely off topic. I try not to read off topic threads. I would not like to have this great site go thru the trauma of past errors being repeated.

    Folks, let's stick to trapshooting related issues and let threads like this go away ASAP...pardon any misspelling.

    Jon Schorle
     
  3. crusha

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    Looks like the first TS.commer with a gubmint pension just identified himself.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Do you not understand how this affects gun owners?

    As the federal bureaucracy increases, so do the number of bureaucrats in organizations like the BATF.

    Instead of cutting back on federal agency staffing when they've met their goals, these agencies self-perpetuate and increase their staffing and their reach. They do this by coming up with more bureaucratic decrees and "reinterpreting" laws. We've recently seen 42 year old BATF decisions being reversed in exactly this manner.

    The only way to prevent this is to cut back on the federal government.

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    And for my next question, this may be a trapshooting site, but the site owner has no problem with subjects like this, and has stated so. Who put you in charge of censorship here?

    You're not a federal worker, by any chance?
     
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    It's just Government money.
     
  6. wireguy

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    Jon, why don't you stick to the DOILEY PATTERNS YESTERDAY AND TODAY web site.
    Clearly man talk upsets you.
     
  7. bigdogtx

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    Jon,,,,are you at the mall or watching American Idol,,,,Brian's post brings up very good points,,,,while the private sector is hurting and cutting back the gov't is spending like they have an American Express without the requirement to be paid off,,,,well it has to be paid off, and the payees are our children and grandkids,,,,are you in favor of stealing their futures for your pleasure today????
     
  8. Bisi

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    I've been harping on this subject for a long time and nobody seems to care. Your typical fed retirees pension now provides more income than 3 or 4 million in the bank could produce.

    And the government is running TRILLION DOLLAR PLUS a year shortfalls. And still they make 50% more on average than people in private industry. And the perks.

    A few months ago "Yahoo" reported that there is a cop in SanFransico who made over 500K last year.

    And where are the goods or services these high dollar federal workers produce? I can purchase products made by Coca-Cola, Procter and Gamble, Ford, Budweiser. Remington, Winchester, cabinets, bricks, etc..

    Where in the hell is the federal store that I can go to and pick up a product they produced? What do the high dollar employees of the Department of Education do? I don't see any schools with their name on em. The only schools I see are local and paid for my local taxes.

    10% unemployment, trillion dollar budget shortfalls, benefits out the wazhoo, and they still just rake it in.
     
  9. skeet100

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    USA is in such a mess.... Not that its not a great place but we are pissing it away so very fast...
     
  10. bigdogtx

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    One of the first times in history that the current generation is not leaving a better America to the next generation,,,,yet these idiots/dolts/loons/sheep are voting for it,,,,they don't realize THEY WILL BE PAYING FOR OTHERS' LARGESS????
     
  11. halfmile

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    Jon, just what do 0u have against the people being informed? IF this was untrue someone would have gotten on it to debunk immediately.

    You have about ten minutes to explain yourself. I personally think you have an ax to grind here, and it's not for the betterment of normal working class folks.

    HM
     
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    Well, I am a Government retiree. I worked for USGS as a field topographer.(map maker). Unfortunately, I retired before the money got big. However, I and all my contemporaries paid into SS AND CSRS. My SS keeps my old pickup in gas and thats about all, because Federal retirees SS is seriously cut because they get two pensions from the Gummit. Never mind that my SS contributions were largely from the private sector and all the quarters qualifying me for SS were from the private sector. For some of us, it ain't as good as has been proposed. We are not eating cat food, but I don't have any gold-encrusted Ljutics either. After 27 years of wading swamps, I took an early out and was penalized for that too. I think the Fed suit wearers in DC do OK, but the workers are not that well off.
     
  13. larryjk

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    I am retired fro the Gov. I wish you could see all of the money I am rolling in. That is why I have a second job and barely make ends meet. Most of you complainers have no idea what the average goverment worker actually makes. You raise hell about our retirement but I paid in 7 1/4% of every penny I ever was paid to the retirement system. After 36 1/2 years the amount isn't nearly as large as I wish, but you do need to remember the government had that money for 36 1/2 years and didn't give me any interest. If they had, they would have made me pay income tax on the interest. There are many gov workers in DC that make very large salaries, but not aout here in the hiter lands. I also was required to have a specific college education to qualify for the job I had. Those degrees don't come free.
    I think you need to know the whole picture before you start casting horseshit.
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    The point of this is not to go after retired govt workers, but EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF FEDERAL HIRES when the economy is down the tubes, and the private sector is eliminating jobs.
     
  15. Bisi

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    Well Brian I agree. I wouldn't begrudge the federal worker his high salary if the instiution he/she was working for had a budget surplus. But my God when they are running budget deficits in the range of 1.5 Trillion!!!!

    Why are they immune from having to take a pay cut, or being layed off, or dismiseed??? What so damn special about a government worker. What's next? bowing down to em, not being allowed to look em in the eye, because they are special/elite.
     
  16. larryjk

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    Bisi, Do you understand the term "attrition". I was budget accountable and didn't ever go over without being assigned special projects and being told how much I was to put against the special project. I didn't have the option of hiring extra people unless the project was going to last several years. By
    "attrition" we met the manpower goals. That means if someone transferred, or quit, we didn't replace them. We might move people around in the agency, but we didn't go over manpower levels given to us.
    As for salary. Ours were based on job audits to determine the difficulty of the work we were performiing. Quantity was not factored in. No matter how much additional work you performed, you didn't get a raise. Often people would transfer to a vacant job somewhere else because they got tired of being "slaves". I can't explain all of the things you accuse gov-mint workers of because it would be a waste of time.
     
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    All the czars and personal assistants the Muslims in DC have could easily account for this sudden rise. Let them make their beds cause soon they will get to lay in them.
     
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    Attrition is not explaining the 7% increase in federal jobs.
     
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    Brian, apparently I don't understand what attrition is either. The May job numbers were something like 450K jobs created but 430K of those were federal government jobs.
     
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    Brian and Bisi, I kow you can never be wrong, but I suggest you look at the census people and all of the czars and the extras they hire. These are not regular gov workers who are out there in the trenches. You are probably right about the 7% but it really would be interesting to see where they are at.
     
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