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The "GOLF OPTION"

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by JACK, Dec 26, 2011.

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  1. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    Option category to even the playing field. If you sign up for the option (of say $10), you get 80% of the difference between a score of 100 and an average of your last ATA handicap average. Lotta details to work out, but If "Big Leo" has an average of 95 at handicap and shoots a 99, he gets 4 "handicap extras" and finishes with a 103. If you have a handicap average of 90 and shoot a 95 you too will have a final total of 103. Ties can be shot off at raw score from your yardage. And so on. One more. Let us say a shooter has a 85 average over his last 1000 targets or last years handicap average and breaks a 92. He gets 80% of 15 added to his score (80% x 15 = 12) and 12 added to his score and wins with a 104.

    Ties divide rather than shoot off. All we need is this option purse to level the playing field. Too, it will get more shooters to shoot more handicap scores to get into this mix.

    I realize some will attempt to cheat the system, but they still have to shoot a good score to be in the mix. And the truth is that a large upper segment will split a significant pot.

    100 shooters (let's say) enter the pot. $1000 paid out to the top 10 on the day

    1) $150, 2) $140, 3)$130, 4) $120, 5) $110, 6) $100, 7)$90, 8) $80, 9) $70, 10) $60

    I realize my math is not perfect, but it could easily be calculated in percentages. I'll leave that to you.

    This could be named the "Personal Calcutta option"

    Jack

    Places I shoot have computer records to verify an average. But it would be simple for you to keep a running total of your handicap average, tell it to the counter person and walk away knowing how many "Extras" you get. And let's face it, we all know these folks and should they cheat the system they would be blackballed form entering this a second time. But remember, you still have to shoot a good score. And good score pressure is tough for most shooters.
     
  2. Onceabum

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    Jack,

    This thread is not for the unenlightened and certainly not after a big weekend.

    BB
     
  3. AveragEd

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    Jack, I think your system has merit. The "pros" may not care for it, however, as there is no "big prize" available to a winner. But for the average shooters who comprise 90+% of the ATA membership, it could work.

    Ed
     
  4. lance howard

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    Jack, sounds good to me. I have wondered why we do not have some kind of system that could be implemented like a golf handicap system of sorts. I suppose it would be easier if we all shot from the same yardage as in golf, the course you play is the same as the big guns. We need something to spark the interest. I go to a lot of shoots that barely have 8 squads at times. It is NOT all due to the economy. A lot of it is but some is just the feeling that there is not enough opportunity to place decently. I have never had a high enough average to care but some guys do. I just like to shoot regardless of the scores. Lance Howard
     
  5. Border Bandit

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    I like it Jack! Good thinking.

    best...mike
     
  6. Dr.Longshot

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    The 2 yards off may stimulate more shooters to register targets, and I think that was the intent.


    Gary Bryant
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  7. V10

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    The option already exists. It's called the Golf Option. It's not used much, but I've seen it a time or two at shoots in Nevada.
     
  8. Bisi

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    Yeah, Steve used the golf option out in Las Vegas for several years in his Mid Winter handicap.

    It worked for me, I came home from Vegas one year with money. I think he was using the 75% handicap rule. Example if you had a 90 average then you got 7.5 birds added to your score.
     
  9. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    Let me get this straight. We have a sport where 75-80% of the people have trouble subtracting 8 from 25, and you want to add a mathmatical system to "level the playing field"? ;-)
     
  10. joe90t

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    GREAT IDEA Jack, I Know This Would Work. At The RATON TRAP CLUB Every year (2) Elk Permits are Given Away To The Person With The HIGHEST Aggregate Score For (2) days shooting. MUST shoot All events To Qualify. Works With Singles, Doubles And Handicap. Singles-AA-0--A-1--B-2- And So On. The Winners Are Most of the time Average shooters. We have a Very Large Attendance And Everyone D class all the way to AA Have A Ball. Joe W. Please excuse The capital letters!!!!!!
     
  11. JACK

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    I am not against the new 2 yard deal. Rather this appers to be an option I would play and I bet others would too. And it would only work with shooters with ATA or PITA averages. Adn too the benefit to this is that you still shoot from your regular yardage.
     
  12. Jerry Mariani

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    7/8 oz of 71/2 or 8 only at 1150 or 1200 to be official ATA shell. Everyone shoots from 27 and we have classes like 16 yd. Levels the playing field. Puts the money more accurately into more hands. Move the mics only once . Easy squading and paperwork. No sandbagging no problems. 7/8 oz let's kids start earlier old folks shoot longer . Women shooters should like it . It is greener and should make shells cheeper. Maybe I am living in Disneyland but I think it would work.
     
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    I don't expect I'd win anything from the 25, but my scores might be a bit more respectable and that would be a plus for me...
     
  14. minnship8

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    The only drawback for me would be taking off my shoes for the calculation and then having to lop off half a toe to keep track of the fractional math.
     
  15. b12

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    Sounds like socialisum to me. Wild Bill
     
  16. Jawhawker

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    This option came about in the 80's in themidwest, primarily OK and KS. It was played quite a bit till the late 90's and by a couple years into this century it was as other options. People atleast in the midwest seem not so money oriented as they once were.
     
  17. Twinbirds

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    so it could end up with a 90 avg handicap shooter still shooting off with the higher avg shooters? and the advantage goes where?
     
  18. leadvail

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    My bet is that shooters who refuse reductions are the ones complaining. If they want to be truly competitive, they would take a reduction untill they were. It works.


    They can still play their Class and Yardage Purses only. No one is forcing them to play the money.

    Bob
     
  19. Barry C. Roach

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    I like that folks are trying to help improve the game........but I haven't seen anything that's better than the system we already have.

    Mandatory reduction is the only logical way to even up the handicap competition. I don't advocate that change, though, because it doesn't really hurt anybody but the "refusenicks" and it shouldn't be seen as a "problem" with the handicap system.

    I know that we all like to shoot with our friends but, to me, it makes as much sense as asking to shoot in a higher class than you are competitive in.

    It seems that the folks that want changes to the handicap system are more interested in encouraging more option money in the game. That's not going to happen until you control the "big money shooters". Controlling the amateurs, who comprise 99+% of the Amateur TA is the wrong way to go. It's unfortunate that there is no room for a professional trapshooting organization but that's not the amateurs' fault. What needs to be promoted, to increase our numbers of amateur members playing the money, is the feeling that they have a chance to win more than a few bucks. There needs to be a definition of what a professional trapshooter is and effectively separate the pros from the amateurs.
     
  20. AveragEd

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    I will say that I'm normally not a fan of handicapped scoring. In fact, I have declined to participate in local leagues that use that scoring method. But the ATA needs help right now and let's face it, the average shooter is the one missing from the squads these days. The ATA needs something to bring some of them back or encourage new ones.

    And I do agree that if the whole purpose of this system revolves around purse money, it looses appeal to me. Playing options is for the very good shooters - the rest who pony up their cash are either suckers or wealthy enough to not care about how they waste their money.

    Ed
     
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