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The Decline and Fall of the Tea Party

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by J.Fred.Muggs, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. J.Fred.Muggs

    J.Fred.Muggs TS Member

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    The Decline and Fall of the Tea Party

    But not before they gave the Democrats three seats in the Senate they shouldn't have. Three seats that will make a difference when the next Supreme Court appointments will be made. And it will be in the Supreme Court that the practical meaning of the Second Amendment will be determined.
     
  2. timberfaller

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    The liberal author, He lives in Venice, California!

    We all know what is happening in that state!!

    I'll give the Tea Party credit for exposing how idiotic the liberal mindset IS!!

    Yes election do have "consequences" the over 8,000,000 who stayed home and didn't vote are as much to blame as the socialist uninformed Obo supporters are!
     
  3. archangel

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    I did not read the article, But no thanks to the republican establishment which gave them no support. And about my republican leaders where are they. Why are they not defending and explaining our rights, why are they not speaking about our fiscal problems, are they are in hiding. They are letting the administration set and monopolize the debate on these topics every day in the media: they need to stand for something. I do agree that the Supreme Court appointments are whole ball game, and, unfortunatly this group doesn't know how to put up a good fight in the media. mike
     
  4. Snidely54

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    If Muggs is implying that the Tea party siphoned off votes from a Republican, to a democrat, he's watching far to much Chris Matthews. The Tea Party not only exposed socialist democrats, but also bed wetting Republicans! We may face some bleak times, but this great country will survive. I feel this may be the wake up call we all so badly needed
     
  5. Rick Barker

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    Another re-incarate of Mrskeet410.
     
  6. Joe Potosky

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    Nothing wrong with the Tea Party philosophy; unless you believe that we can just keep growing the government, adding regulations upon regulations, and spending money WE don't have!
     
  7. Brady509

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    Just a question. How many God fearing evangelical Christians couldn't bring them selves to vote for a Mormon? I know I couldn't and am not afraid to say it. Some say I wasted my vote, but my country was founded on biblical principles. Frankly I am tired of hearing the owe woes me. I voted conservative and country not cult or communist. Not mainstream following. I am going to catch some flack for this but just being truthful. Wish more of you would.

    Brady
     
  8. Rick Barker

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    Oh yeah, we are a lot better off with a Muslin in the White House, than Romney who was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Staints.



    The fact that some evangelicals did endorse Mitt like the attached link shows and others that can be found on the internet, shows those evangelicals were out of their minds for sure.

    I mean after all, Mitt would have tried to repeal Obamacare that forces morning after pills and birth control upon businesses owned by Christians who do not believe in this stuff.

    Oh, yeah, a whole lot better with Osama in office. I mean after all Barack as a child was brought up in the religion of Islam which does not recognize Christ any more than a great prophet but that despicable Romney is on tape saying be believes Christ as the savior of man and the Son of God. And isn't the country better off with our current President referring to those who oppose him as Bible clingers and has the country on it's knees with his race baiting, fear mongering, class warfare, and failed economic policies, instead of Romney, a successful businessman who would have tried to unite the country?

    I also hope any other smart successful people like Romney will get the message it is pointless to run for office, when the people prefer someone like Barack.
     
  9. crusha

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    If it weren't for the uproar from Teaparty-minded people, George Bush would have nominated his RINO crony Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, and we wouldn't have the Heller decision which established the INDIVIDUAL right to own guns.


    When you consider the Heller case was the first clear decision we've had in favor of the uninfringed interpretation of the Second Amendment in American history, I will be happy to trade away a few Arlen Specters and Dick Lugars for that kind of result, any day of the week.



    The Teaparty kept George Bush in line, and made an assault weapon ban Constitutionally impossible. Pretty darn good work if you ask me.
     
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    What Buzz said!
     
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    J.Fred.Muggs, another new name with only five posts.

    Newbie or reincarnation of one of the recent troublemakers?
     
  12. drgondog

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    I am a God fearing christion, a conservative and a supporter of Tea Party ideals - and I voted for Romney. Simple choice. One wins and one class of people benefit from Obama.

    I'm not in that 'class' and have zero regrets voting for Romney.

    Sitting at home pouting about religious preferences wasn't a factor
     
  13. bigdogtx

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    j fred has been paying too much credit to gene's babbling.......
     
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    J. Fred Muggs was a chimpanze on the Today show with Dave Garroway way back when all TVs were black and white.
     
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    The one thing you can always count on from the liberals is that they always try to discount something they fear the most sound as declining or going away.

    THAT'S BECAUSE THEY FEAR THEM!!!!
     
  16. Rick Barker

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    Good catch shadow, I thought that name was familiar. Used to watch that show. I was looking it up early this morning trying to remember if it was a comic strip character from the 50's. Think I was confused with Jiggs and Maggie a.k.a. Bringing up Father.
     
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    Any truth to the rumor that barney frank is j fred muggs fairy godmother?
     
  18. Brady509

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    Rick

    All I am saying that from a biblical stand point I couldn't vote for either. I completely understand where you are coming from. I am right there with you. Another question I have is why the rep party would be willing to take a chance so steeply involved with biblical reasoning. Politics are bad enough without a question of true Christian belief. Like I said I feel as though I let my country down, but made a choice for my Lord God which is the choice I will make on every level of my life.

    Thank you all for being respectful,

    Brady
     
  19. Rick Barker

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    Brady

    What principles would those be?

    Romney claims to be and behaves more like a Christian than Obama does.

    Perhaps God chose Obama,many people believe world leaders are chosen by God.
     
  20. Rick Barker

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    Provocative article by a Jewish Rabbi from Teaneck, N.J. It is far and away the most succinct and thoughtful explanation of how our nation is changing. The article appeared in The Israel National News, and is directed to Jewish readership. 70% of American Jews vote as Democrats. The Rabbi has some interesting comments in that regard

    Rabbi Steven Pruzansky is the spiritual leader of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey

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    "The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo - for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation and avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted. But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes.


    Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could not have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle.


    Romney lost because he didn't get enough votes to win. That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues - of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate.


    The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.


    Every businessman knows this; that is why the "loss leader" or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama's America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who - courtesy of Obama - receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentivizes looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.


    The defining moment of the whole campaign was the revelation of the secretly-recorded video in which Romney acknowledged the difficulty of winning an election in which "47% of the people" start off against him because they pay no taxes and just receive money - "free stuff" - from the government. Almost half of the population has no skin in the game - they don't care about high taxes, promoting business, or creating jobs, nor do they care that the money for their free stuff is being borrowed from their children and from the Chinese. They just want the free stuff that comes their way at someone else's expense. In the end, that 47% leaves very little margin for error for any Republican, and does not bode well for the future.


    It is impossible to imagine a conservative candidate winning against such overwhelming odds. People do vote their pocketbooks. In essence, the people vote for a Congress who will not raise their taxes, and for a President who will give them free stuff, never mind who has to pay for it.


    That engenders the second reason why Romney lost: the inescapable conclusion that the electorate is ignorant and uninformed. Indeed, it does not pay to be an informed voter, because most other voters - the clear majority - are unintelligent and easily swayed by emotion and raw populism. That is the indelicate way of saying that too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads. That is why Obama did not have to produce a second term agenda, or even defend his first-term record. He needed only to portray Mitt Romney as a rapacious capitalist who throws elderly women over a cliff, when he is not just snatching away their cancer medication, while starving the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.


    During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai
    Stevenson: 'Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!'

    Stevenson called back: 'That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!'

    Truer words were never spoken.

    Obama could get away with saying that "Romney wants the rich to play by a different set of rules" - without ever defining what those different rules were; with saying that the "rich should pay their fair share" - without ever defining what a "fair share" is; with saying that Romney wants the poor, elderly and sick to "fend for themselves"- without even acknowledging that all these government programs are going bankrupt, their current insolvency only papered over by deficit spending.


    Similarly, Obama (or his surrogates) could hint to blacks that a Romney victory would lead them back into chains and proclaim to women that their abortions and birth control would be taken away. He could appeal to Hispanics that Romney would have them all arrested and shipped to Mexico and unabashedly state that he will not enforce the current immigration laws. He could espouse the furtherance of the incestuous relationship between governments and unions - in which politicians ply the unions with public money, in exchange for which the unions provide the politicians with votes, in exchange for which the politicians provide more money and the unions provide more votes, etc., even though the money is gone.


    Obama also knows that the electorate has changed - that whites will soon be a minority in America (they're already a minority in California) and that the new immigrants to the US are primarily from the Third World and do not share the traditional American values that attracted immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries It is a different world, and a different America. Obama is part of that different America, knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.


    Obama also proved again that negative advertising works, invective sells, and harsh personal attacks succeed. That Romney never engaged in such diatribes points to his essential goodness as a person; his"negative ads" were simple facts, never personal abuse - facts about high unemployment, lower take-home pay, a loss of American power and prestige abroad, a lack of leadership, etc. As a politician, though,Romney failed because he did not embrace the devil's bargain of making unsustainable promises.


    It turned out that it was not possible for Romney and Ryan - people of substance, depth and ideas - to compete with the shallow populism and platitudes of their opponents. Obama mastered the politics of envy - of class warfare - never reaching out to Americans as such but to individual groups, and cobbling together a winning majority from these minority groups. If an Obama could not be defeated - with his record and his vision of America, in which free stuff seduces voters - it is hard to envision any change in the future. The road to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to a European-socialist economy - those very economies that are collapsing today in Europe - is paved.


    For Jews, mostly assimilated anyway and staunch Democrats, the results demonstrate again that liberalism is their Torah. Almost 70% voted for a president widely perceived by Israelis and most committed Jews as hostile to Israel. They voted to secure Obama's future at America's expense and at Israel's expense - in effect, preferring Obama to Netanyahu by a wide margin. A dangerous time is ahead.


    Under present circumstances, it is inconceivable that the US will take any aggressive action against Iran and will more likely thwart any Israeli initiative. The US will preach the importance of negotiations up until the production of the first Iranian nuclear weapon - and then state that the world must learn to live with this new reality.

    But this election should be a wake-up call to Jews. There is no permanent empire, nor is there an enduring haven for Jews anywhere in the exile. The American empire began to decline in 2007, and the deterioration has been exacerbated in the last five years. This election only hastens that decline. Society is permeated with sloth, greed, envy and materialistic excess. It has lost its moorings and its moral foundations. The takers outnumber the givers, and that will only increase in years to come. The "Occupy" riots across this country in the last two years were mere dress rehearsals for what lies ahead - years of unrest sparked by the increasing discontent of the unsuccessful who want to seize the fruits and the bounty of the successful, and do not appreciate the slow pace of redistribution.

    If this election proves one thing, it is that the Old America is gone. And, sad for the world, it is not coming back."
     
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