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TGT-S Wad versus TGT Clones

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by w762nato, Jan 25, 2013.

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  1. w762nato

    w762nato Member

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    I was loading a one Ounce load using Remington TGT-S wad and ran out.
    With the cold weather and cabin fever, I had a several hundred more GC hulls left to load I bought a couple of bags of TGT12 Claybuster replacement #CB 8100-12 since the local shop didn't have the real thing. Well the stack height is too high and the crimps are doming and opening so I’ll be using them in a different load.
    Has anyone tried the Down Range TGT clones and how they compare with the Remington TGT-S as compared to height? I can get them within 100 miles but want to know if they too are oversize.
    Thanks Jan
     
  2. FLIP

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    downrange TGT is the same height very interchangeable and yes claybuster is taller
     
  3. chemist

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    I use the clay buster,19 gr of American select, win 209 and they crimp fine in my GC hulls. I can't get a decent crimp with new AA hulls no matter what wad I try. I use a mec9000.
     
  4. mike campbell

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    I use the white fig 8 clones for 1 ounce in my Gun Clubs. The extra depth 1)keeps me from skating the line on stack height that arises from the hull length variability I see in the GC's. I get deep, firm flat crimps that vary from a slight swirl to no swirl versus no swirl to an open center. And 2) more of the shot is contained in the cup, so less barrel scrub.

    I do prefer the TGT in a bonafide STS hull but my stash is quickly withering and being replaced by the GC's. With free GC's, STS aren't even worth 2 cents to me.
     
  5. bigeoj

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    Why don't you increase your wad seating pressure to seat the wad a little deeper. I would think that would take care of the crimp. Joe
     
  6. Unknown1

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    <blockquote><I>"Well the stack height is too high and the crimps are doming and opening..."

    "Has anyone tried the Down Range TGT clones and how they compare with the Remington TGT-S as compared to height?"</I></blockquote>I can't diagnose your stack height problem from this far away but I CAN tell you that the CB 8100 wads are the same length as the DRRT-12 wads. In fact the 8100 wads may actually be a millimeter or so shorter than the new dark colored RT-12s.

    As Joe said, I think you'll find that a bit more wad pressure to push the powder cup a little deeper into the wad taper will solve the crimp bulge.

    Keller
     
  7. acorange

    acorange Well-Known Member

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    Claybuster TGT wads crimp the same for me with several diffrent 1oz. loads as the real McCoy.
     
  8. mike campbell

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    If you have to rely on wad pressure to get a decent crimp, you're not going to be a happy camper. Let em sit for few days and they'll likley pop open. If you're going to try a different wad, try the white Fig 8 clone.
     
  9. lance howard

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    I have used the Downrange clone of TGT12 with zero problems. I load the Rem factory wad and DR wad without problems. 1oz load with 16.4 700 x, good crimps. I use the Downrange TGT12 and DR12SO in wally world and Fed gun clubs with no problems although I have been told that I am not using the right wad for this case as it is a straight wall not a tapered caswe like the Reminton,s. I figure if the powder manufactureres that I use put it in their manual then I will use it. I also have had all my reloads pressure tested and they are well within the limits of a target 12 gauge reload. Estates and wally worlds run 6100-6300 with the Win 209 primer. The Gun Clubs run at 6700 plus. The MOST consistent 1 oz reload that I use is the Estate case with 17.0 700X, Fiocci 616 primer, DR12SO wad. My Oehler 35 Chrony and the testing company chrony says 1166-1185 fps at 5750 psi. Works for me. PM me if you want the name of the testing company all the results of the tests. Lance Howard
     
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