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Ted Nugent on VT and gun control

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  1. mrrem3200

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    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html

    Give it a read.
     
  2. ronbo142

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    Common sense...

    Imagine that.


    Ronbo
     
  3. Bawana

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    I for one do not like Ted Nugent for his past ways and what he has said. But here I will agree with him and he did a great job saying it.
     
  4. handlepuller

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    It was pretty good.

    I wonder if Grammie has read it??????????????????

    I think all of us here probably feel the way he does so it's nothing new, to us, to hear his words.

    Do I kind of wish there was a more "mainstream," clean-cut, less abrasive celebrity that would say these things?

    Sure.

    But I can respect that he's still willing and I appreciate that he will use his celebrity to help promote an unpopular viewpoint... I'd also be willing to bet he puts his money where his mouth is and contributes a lot to the NRA.

    I respect the heck out of that.
     
  5. timb99

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    Did you read the "counter-point?"

    Lets all surrender our guns, by some LA journalist?

    Absurd.
     
  6. Trapshooter

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    By Ted Nugent
    Special to CNN

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    Editor's note: Rock guitarist Ted Nugent has sold more than 30 million albums. He's also a gun rights activist and serves on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association. His program, "Ted Nugent Spirit of the Wild," can be seen on the Outdoor Channel.

    Read an opposing take on gun control from journalist Tom Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms

    WACO, Texas (CNN) -- Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

    Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.

    Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.

    A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

    At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

    More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

    My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.

    She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.

    No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.

    Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.

    Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

    Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in illegal possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun law. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

    Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

    I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

    Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.

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    The opinions expressed in this commentary are those of the writer. This is part of an occasional series of commentaries on CNN.com that offers a broad range of perspectives, thoughts and points of view.

    Read an opposing point of view from journalist Tom Plate: Let's lay down our right to bear arms
     
  7. Trapshooter

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    By Tom Plate
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    Editor's note: Tom Plate, former editor of the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times, is a professor of communication and policy studies at UCLA. He is author of a new book, "Confessions of an American Media Man."

    Read an opposing take on gun control from Ted Nugent: Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster

    LOS ANGELES (CNN) -- Most days, it is not at all hard to feel proud to be an American. But on days such as this, it is very difficult.

    The pain that the parents of the slain students feel hits deep into everyone's hearts. At the University of California, Los Angeles, students are talking about little else. It is not that they feel especially vulnerable because they are students at a major university, as is Virginia Tech, but because they are (to be blunt) citizens of High Noon America.

    "High Noon" is a famous film. The 1952 Western told the story of a town marshal (played by the superstar actor Gary Cooper) who is forced to eliminate a gang of killers by himself. They are eventually gunned down.

    The use of guns is often the American technique of choice for all kinds of conflict resolution. Our famous Constitution, about which many of us are generally so proud, enshrines -- along with the right to freedom of speech, press, religion and assembly -- the right to own guns. That's an apples and oranges list if there ever was one.

    Not all of us are so proud and triumphant about the gun-guarantee clause. The right to free speech, press, religion and assembly and so on seem to be working well, but the gun part, not so much.

    Let me explain. Some misguided people will focus on the fact that the 23-year-old student who killed his classmates and others at Virginia Tech was ethnically Korean. This is one of those observations that's 99.99 percent irrelevant. What are we to make of the fact that he is Korean? Ban Ki-moon is also Korean! Our brilliant new United Nations secretary general has not only never fired a gun, it looks like he may have just put together a peace formula for civil war-wracked Sudan -- a formula that escaped his predecessor.

    So let's just disregard all the hoopla about the race of the student responsible for the slayings. These students were not killed by a Korean, they were killed by a 9 mm handgun and a .22-caliber handgun.

    In the nineties, the Los Angeles Times courageously endorsed an all-but-complete ban on privately owned guns, in an effort to greatly reduce their availability. By the time the series of editorials had concluded, the newspaper had received more angry letters and fiery faxes from the well-armed U.S. gun lobby than on any other issue during my privileged six-year tenure as the newspaper's editorial page editor.

    But the paper, by the way, also received more supportive letters than on any other issue about which it editorialized during that era. The common sense of ordinary citizens told them that whatever Americans were and are good for, carrying around guns like costume jewelry was not on our Mature List of Notable Cultural Accomplishments.

    "Guns don't kill people," goes the gun lobby's absurd mantra. Far fewer guns in America would logically result in far fewer deaths from people pulling the trigger. The probability of the Virginia Tech gun massacre happening would have been greatly reduced if guns weren't so easily available to ordinary citizens.

    Foreigners sometimes believe that celebrities in America are more often the targets of gun violence than the rest of us. Not true. Celebrity shootings just make better news stories, so perhaps they seem common. They're not. All of us are targets because with so many guns swishing around our culture, no one is immune -- not even us non-celebrities.

    When the great pop composer and legendary member of the Beatles John Lennon was shot in 1980 in New York, many in the foreign press tabbed it a war on celebrities. Now, some in the media will declare a war on students or some-such. This is all misplaced. The correct target of our concern needs to be guns. America has more than it can possibly handle. How many can our society handle? My opinion is: as close to zero as possible.

    Last month, I was robbed at 10 in the evening in the alley behind my home. As I was carrying groceries inside, a man with a gun approached me where my car was parked. The gun he carried featured one of those red-dot laser beams, which he pointed right at my head.

    Because I'm anything but a James Bond type, I quickly complied with all of his requests. Perhaps because of my rapid response (it is called surrender), he chose not to shoot me; but he just as easily could have. What was to stop him?

    This occurred in Beverly Hills, a low-crime area dotted with upscale boutiques, restaurants and businesses -- a city best known perhaps for its glamour and celebrity sightings.

    Oh, and police tell me the armed robber definitely was not Korean. Not that I would have known one way or the other: Basically the only thing I saw or can remember was the gun, with the red dot, pointed right at my head.

    A near-death experience does focus the mind. We need to get rid of our guns.

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    Read Ted Nugent's take on gun control here: Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster
     
  8. cmh

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    Amen to Ted!!!!
     
  9. Mac V

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    I'm not surprised that Ted has chosen to ignore all the completely-innocent people who have been shot by mistake by armed citizens who acted out of panic, fear or ignorance and who thought they were protecting themselves from some threat or other.

    Mike
     
  10. SILVER S 007

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    I have to tell you I did not know who Ted Negunt was<BUT I DO NOW AND I COULD NOT>>>>>>>>NOT HAVE SAID IT BTTER MYSELF.............every one send a copy to Kennedy and co. see how that grabs them do it again TED
     
  11. BDodd

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    Mike, I'm retired from law enforcement, 1961 to 2004 most of which was front line, out in the real world, or in security/protective services - not behind a desk; well there was one period of conducting sub rosa investigations. I can't think of one single incident I was aware of or made aware of where what you describe occurred. Perhaps you can provide documentation of some of those incidents....Bob Dodd
     
  12. Mac V

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    From Keybear...

    <blockquote>Mike name one</blockquote>

    That's easy...my older brother Andy.

    Andy was a plumber. He got sent on an emergency call at some god-awful hour in the morning to a house where a pipe has broken above their electrical panel. He was told to look for the house on the corner with the back lights on. He found a house fitting that description on the right street and knocked on the back door. When no one answered he figured they might be in the basement mopping up so he knocked louder. From the other side of the door he heard a woman yell "who's there". He yelled back "plumber" and before he could say anything else the woman in the house pulled the trigger on her "self-protection .38", shot right through the shade over the window and put a bullet through his right shoulder joint. Andy had found the wrong house a block too soon. Oh, she was real sorry about the mistake, but Andy lost most of the movement of his right arm as a result. The woman was charged with risking a catastrophe and got a suspended sentence. Andy lost his job and still lives on disability.

    Satisfied?

    Mike
     
  13. j2jake

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    "It is called surrender" There you have it in a nut shell. That is what the new generation is being taught. Sorry, I'll carry a big stick and walk softly. Jake
     
  14. chazbodazz

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    Poor Andy,He should have used map quest.
     
  15. shot410ga

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    Just remember police are great reporters of what occured, and following up on what happened. They generally are not worth much on stopping the act when it's happening. Because, they can't be everywhere all the time. Each of us is responsable for one's self and family.
     
  16. superxjeff

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    You really think that Ol Andy is an good example? I will give you credit as I wouldn't admit my family member was that stupid to anybody. Jeff
     
  17. Mac V

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    Yeah, you're right Jeff...it keeps slipping my mind that it usually IS the victim's fault.

    It would be a cryin' shame if somebody put a bullet in you next time you make a mistake.

    Mike
     
  18. superxjeff

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    Yea, I suppose you are right. Stumbling around in somebodys back yard banging on doors in the middle of the night should have got him a bye but you seem to think that your brother had no culpability in this issue. In Texas she could have shot him and went back to bed and it would have been totally legal. Do you think with a law like that on the book your brother would have been a little more precise with the adress? I suspect so. It's called being personally responsible. I think it's a raw deal that your brother got shot just trying to help but the bottom line is he never should have been there in the first place. Sounds like you guys have hashed this one around at the family dinners so many times that you belive what you are saying. I don't think you will find an outside opinion that will believe that it wasn't your brothers fault. That doesn't mean that he deserved what happened. It was an accident and according to individual state law the outcome for the shooter would vary. Where I live in Oregon if you shot some guy by accident in your back yard he would soon have all the equity in your home. Jeff
     
  19. Jack Burch

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    Jeff,

    Move to Texas, as of 1 September if you are justified in using deadly force the recipient cannot sue you nor can their family. Common sense breaking out everywhere.

    Jack Burch
     
  20. darr

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    This is a matter of responsibility.If someone is trained and legally carrying a weapon there is not another more basic right than that of self protection and the protection of other innocents.I am sure there are incidents of accidental shootings and they are tragic.I am sure some of those accidental shootings were by police officers.If we as Americans do not start taking responsibility for our own security and stop laying down at the first sign of trouble these kind of horrible incidents will continue.I don't have a ccw but this last incident has motivated me to get one.It is unfortunate that this is the world we live in but if the citizens do not start helping the police it is going to get worse before it gets better.Or maybe timeout or couseling will help these poor soles.After all it is Americas fault they have to do what they do.

    Darr Wilson
     
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