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Tax the unions????

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Rick Barker, Oct 5, 2011.

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  1. Rick Barker

    Rick Barker Well-Known Member

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    Wow, what an idea! Heard it today on the radio, Rush Limbaugh. He was not kidding.

    The unions make a lot of money, have high paid executives, have payrolls, and contribute a lot of money to the Democrats and some to Republicans.

    Since they are rich, perhaps they should be taxed to help Obama's stimulus programs??????

    Everybody should pay their fair share, right?

    I also see on several reports that unions are backing and supporting the "Occupy WallStreet" bunch.
     
  2. likes-to-shoot

    likes-to-shoot Well-Known Member

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    Your an intelligent man, do a little research on the subject for yourself, you might be surprised at the results.
     
  3. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    Hey,

    Communist activity's always being together like minded folks, birds of a feather flock together as the ole saying goes!!!!

    I think ALL political fund raising money should be taxed as a "luxury" tax! I would say at the rate of 75% sounds fair! 75% to the general fund and 25% to the candidate.

    And NO money goes into a "take it with you when you leave account"
     
  4. BigBadBob

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    Being a Catholic union man,and not believing that I am actually typing this, I have to agree with taxing the unions, along with the NRA, all churches, and end tax - exempt status for all. Any money given to a political party or candidate should be taxed as income by that party or candidate and taxed at the highest rate allowable. Just like any money the average working guy makes. It would only be fair.

    Once in a while , very rarely, something intelligent comes out of Lush Dumbo's fat mouth.
     
  5. Old Cowboy

    Old Cowboy Active Member

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    Never happen, at least not while the Democrats are in power.
     
  6. wayneo

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    Go ahead and read 501 (c).......The whole thing

    Wayne
     
  7. BigBadBob

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    You notice that the AFL-CIO has joined the Occupy Wall Street Rally, but I saw no trade unions mentioned on the list. Just service employees unions, CWA, UAW, Teachers and so forth.
     
  8. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    I for one did not know that the Catholic's were unionized...

    Dang, what will they come up with next...celibacy??

    Curt
     
  9. Rick Barker

    Rick Barker Well-Known Member

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    BigBadBob

    I hurt myself when I fell out of my chair after reading your post, but I think I will be all right.

    According to news reports, union supporters include:

    Amalgamated Transit Union, SIEU; United Steelworkers, AFL-CIO, Laborers' International, National Nurses United just to name a few.

    I wonder if Wall Street has any regrets backing Obama in the his election?????

    Oh and good old MOVEON.ORG (George Soros) has listed its support to Occupy WallStreet as well.
     
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    likes-to-shoot Well-Known Member

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    Most of the signs I saw on TV were about Our Kids funding their BIG BONUSES.

    Union or not most people are tired of Wall Street greed while we bail them out. Even most of you people were bitching a while back while sitting on your asses at the computer screen. At least these people are DOING something. And now your making fun of them............LOL
     
  11. Rick Barker

    Rick Barker Well-Known Member

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    your kind of people, huh?

    The only thing these people are doing, is making themselves look stupid in front of the whole world.

    LASAP
     
  12. BigBadBob

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    I think you'll be all right Rick. I know it was a shock. The site i looked at yesterday did not mention the Laborers, however that may have changed.

    As far as Catholics being unionized, they do recognize the union plight and here in St. Louis, the Catholic high School Teachers are union and at one time The Carpenters took the catholic elementary School teachers under their " umbrella". I know the elementary teachers are not under the Carpenters any more, they are able to stand by themselves now and are recognized by the Archdiocese.
     
  13. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    BigBadBob:

    What a helpful bunch those St. Louis union carpenters are! When they're not coming to the rescue of Catholic schoolmarms, they're busy "helping" other downtrodden members of the St. Louis community. IBEW Local 1 for example.

    For those unfamiliar, IBEW Local 1 is the oldest union in the entire country. But... Terry Nelson, executive secretary of Carpenters’ District Council (CDC) of Greater St. Louis thinks they're lazy, inefficient, and over paid among other things. So Nelson has been organizing independent electricians for the last two years. (Hey Bob, wouldn't they more accurately be called SCABS?)

    Mash the link for details. Solidarity forever or some such crap.

    sissy
     
  14. halfmile

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    Terry Nelson can kiss my royal American rectal orifice.

    In Green Bay, IBEW guys work on Habitat houses, the court house Christmas display, The Botanical gardens, and have also rewired homes for elderly low income people for just the cost of the material.

    Maybe his townfolk are just the wrong type of dudes.

    He better be careful whose cup he tries to pee in.

    HM
     
  15. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    halfmile:

    As you know, I'm a simple sissy. Maybe I'm confused but this business with badbob's Mr. Nelson reminds me of the big longshoreman rhubarb in Washington state. The ILWU thought thought the operating engineers were undercutting wage scales and poaching "their" ILWU work.

    I thought badbob generally agreed such behavior was bad form and supported the ILWU. Here's part of what he had to say about a month ago on that thread...

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    Subject: Union takes hostages in Washington state

    From: BigBadBob

    Date: 08-Sep-11

    ... what would you do if the company you work for basically said see you later, I can get people to work for less than half what I am paying you...

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    Maybe Mr. Nelson is a republican???

    sissy
     
  16. BigBadBob

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    Sissy and halfmile,

    Terry Nelson can kiss mine, too!

    I have to agree with you on both of your statements. Local 57 stirred more crap with the carpenters and electricians than it fixed. I was totally against it along with a majority of my fellow Carpenters. And I'm not sure that Local 1 IBEW is the oldest lacal of all the trades but it is the oldest IBEW Local.I believe Carpenters Local 1 in Will County Illinois is the oldest. I may be wrong though.

    To enlighten some of you,Local 57 ( electricians) was formed by Terry Nelson, Executive Secretary of the Carpenters District Council of greater St. Louis with the blessings of the International. He organized non-union, existing contractors. They did not start training carpenters to do electrical work. What started the problem was when the Lumiere Casino and Hotel were being built, an electrical inspector for the city ( retired Local 1 Electrician) was performing an inspection, he "red-tagged" motorized blinds as failed because carpenters had hung the blinds. He wanteed electricians to install the blinds. The same thing happened on some cabinetry that had "puck" lights already installed in the cabinet. The inspector also wanted electricians to hang the cabinets.
    Personally, I have worked around Local 1 electricians for years, and I don't know 1 electrician that would hang blinds or cabinets, whether he wanted to or not. Blinds and cabinets have historically been carpenters work just like running conduit, pulling wire and installing light fixtures is electricians work.
    The local 57 Electricians were chartered by the Carpenters. They are not carpenters and can not do carpenters work. I am a carpenter and can not go to work for them to be an electrician. They have their own training facility and their own work rules. They are only under the Carpenters until they can stand alone. Is it right, I don't think so.

    Here in St. Louis, Terry seems to rule the Roost and is so sucked in withthe international in DC, that we here will only see the light of day when Nelson either retires or passes away.
     
  17. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    badbob:

    Let's see if I've got this straight...

    - Some nasty city inspector (and former Local 1 member) started it all.

    - Your Mr. Nelson escalated matters by organizing scab electricians to put Local 1 out of business.

    - You were personally, "... totally against it along with a majority of (your) fellow Carpenters".

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    Golly badbob, I'd have thought the international and your local's brotherhood (independently and collectively) would have called "bullshit" on Nelson's nonsense. I don't understand why you didn't put an abrupt end to it if you were serious.

    What does that suggest about commitment to basic labor principals? Evidently, respecting other people's crafts isn't part of the deal anymore.

    Who, by the way, elected Nelson and his buds at international?? I'd have thought that would be YOU local guys. Obviously a wrong assumption on my part.

    But let's get back to the original problem... By your account, that would be cabinets and motorized blinds with pre-installed electrical components. Your carpenters and Local 1's electricians both claim the work.

    I'm thinking if cooler heads prevailed, both groups would have sat down and ironed things out. Since they didn't, here's my suggestion...

    Create a multi-jurisdictional crew composed carpenters AND electricians. That's REAL electricians of course, none of Nelson's scabs. Anyway, with the multi-jurisdictional crew the problem is solved.

    Except... someone will need to hire three of my laborers. One delivers cabinet and blind boxes to the installation site. Number 2 opens said boxes. The third hauls off the cardboard trash.

    What do you think???

    sissy
     
  18. BigBadBob

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    Sissy,

    1.When this all started the inspector wanted the electricians to hang the blinds and cabinets. IBEW did not go after the work. Electricians do not claim blind or cabinet work the same way carpenters do not claim conduit or light fixtures.I don't think Nelson was out to put the IBEW out of business. He was , in his defense as much as it pains me to say, protecting the carpenters work. The international (read Doug McCarron)backed Nelson on this. The working carpenter has very little say or influence on the Big Boys. Much like the Electoral College in the Presidential Election. As I stated earlier, electricians do NOT want to hang blinds or cabinets.
    2. Carpenters in St. Louis do not vote on anything except the actual E-Board members of a given local. A lot of issues come up and are solved by Mr. Nelson with pretty much no say-so by the actuals members. I have heard several times at my local meeting when a delegate is making his report from a District Council meeting, " Terry says 'Like it or not, this is how it is or will be done'".
    3. I would not hire 3 laborers because I would have to hire a Teamster to drive the truck to deliver the material. Each craft unloads its own material ( carpenters for the blinds and cabinets and electricians for the conduit, wire and associated material) I would only need 1 laborer to clean up the boxwes and accumulated trash. ( Besides, if you have more than 2 laborers on site they stand around and BS as much as trapshooters)
    4. Having a "cool head" is not in Terry Nelson's vocabulary.
     
  19. BigBadBob

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    I'm sure when you'ree on the trapline and you KNOW you did not hit the target but the cute little scorer, in her tight shorts and T-shirt, that smiled at you when you signed the scoresheet doesn't call 'Lost" you sure don't say anything to the contrary, do you? But you're the first one to raise your hand and contest a Lost call on a bird you "might" have hit.
     
  20. Recoil Sissy

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    badbob:

    You're such a disappointment - you might as well have claimed the dog ate your homework.

    Like the old saying goes, people that stand for nothing, will fall for anything.

    sissy
     
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