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Taurus .410 JUDGE choke install plus problems

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by kirbythegunsmith, Feb 10, 2008.

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  1. kirbythegunsmith

    kirbythegunsmith Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    Here is a choke installation in progress in this revolver. See that the one choke is a super-long version.

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    The tube is definitely thicker than another custom tube of mine for thinner barrels, and that one is thicker than a Browning Invector .410 tube on top of the other 2.

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    I noticed some problems with a Taurus 45/410 that I was choking for a shooter, and noticed the same situation present in a picture in the article in the August '07 issue of the American Rifleman.

    I was looking at the picture of the cylinder full of shells and saw that the cylinder alignment pins didn't seem centered. Look between the rims to see the pin ends (2) are not splitting the difference.

    That is one of the problems that I had to address with a particular shooter's pre-Judge revolver version. He came to me to have the pattern improved with a choke installation, but I (sort of) got commandeered to fix the other problems, or else I'd be giving him back an unreliable gun with a lot of money tied into a fancy choke. I doubt if Taurus would feel like covering a problem from production if someone else has already done anything to the gun.

    Plenty of manufacturers use that excuse, but I can't say specifically that Taurus would, also. I think that a fair number of them are afraid of legal issues i.e. lawyers and insurance.

    Here is some info. that I posted about the choke conversion and some initial shooting details, with more to post later.


    Here is a look at part of the story that is used for the next photo close-ups.

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    This is a view of the area photo to examine.

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    Here is one pin zoomed.

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    Here is the other pin zoomed. This one also has different diameter rims to throw off the off-center view and make it appear less serious than it really is.

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    If you have your own issue of this magazine to examine, post what you see to corroborate these particular details.

    Has anyone else examined their revolver(s) and seen the same situation on their Taurus Judge, other models from Taurus, other brands (be specific) when alignment errors of any significant amount are present.

    Noticing that the pins are aligned OK on your gun is not the info. desired, just those that have an alignment problem. There are bound to be plenty more that are not as bad as some, but to get a feel for the level of the problem, some notice of bad guns must be noted.

    Ratchet/extractor alignment pins and holes are shown to remove all doubt of what to see, and what you wish you didn't see, if you were unfortunate enough to have your own case issue.

    Ratchet fixturing/aligning pins look secure in their holes in the cylinder, but one is poorly centered.

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    See the close-up of the pin location on the right.

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    Where the pin goes to locate the ratchet.

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    What distorted section impedes rim seating in the cylinder hole and shows the lack of secure locating of the ratchet/extractor?

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    Any doubts of this being an impediment to proper operation should be dispelled at this point. See if you have any similar situation, and while you are looking, feel if there is any significant back-and-forth wiggle play available when the ratchet/extractor is fully seated. This one had considerable play even before the pin hole distorted.

    I am seeking other input from owners of revolvers showing the same problem condition, not those that have a Taurus or other revolver without the condition noted. One alternate sign of loose play is a tight shell/extraction problem, in that you need to tap the end of the ejector rod to make a cylinder of fired cases slide free.

    There are bound to be plenty that are OK, but the level of the problem is best investigated by seeking information of the problem situations. You must find what is wrong to make improvements.

    See the issues detailed, and then compare to any revolvers that you can examine.




    New article 4 posted at the "article selection" page link on the website. See the choke damage from steel shot through a couple of choke tubes, the peeling destruction of a couple more choke tubes, and a Polychoke developing cracks.

    New gunsmithing website:

    Articles containing valuable information are on every page.
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